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Primer on Fok.D.VII variants
m_buchler
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 06:57 AM UTC
I'm building my first 1:48 Eduard Fokker D.VII, and as things go, I'm discovering there exists several variants of this plane. Does there exist (online, preferrably) a pictorial primer of sorts which explains the difference between early, mid, late, OAW-built, Albatros-built, Fokker-built, etc.?

It would also be nice to know which model company makes which variants, as well.

Between Roden and the Eduard, is one's D.VII necessarily a better kit than the other?

Also, I'm building a D.VII "F". What makes this plane an "F"? Powerplant, maybe?

Thanks-
JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 12:00 PM UTC
Here is a bit of fun on the subject right here at Aeroscale.

Just for the sake of having them in one place. For more reading on the various license built Fokker D.VII represented in 1:48 kit form.
Click here I Eduard Royal Feature
Click here II Eduard OAW Feature
Click here III Eduard Schwerin Dual Combo review
Click here IV Roden Schwerin kit #415 Feature
Click here V Eduard Schwerin Weekend kit blog
Click here VI Eduard 2nd OAW issue Review
Click here VII Eduard MAG Dual Combo Review
Click here VIII Eduard Johannistahl Review
Click here IX DML / Dragon Kit Review
Click here X Hasegawa Kit Review
Click here XI Jager Kit Review
Click here XII Roden Early Schwerin kit Review
Click here XIII Eduard OAW 1st Issue Review
Click here XIV Eduard mid OAW Limited Edition

1:28 scale kit
Click here XV Revell Kit Review.

1:32 scale kit
Click here XVI WNW Schwerin 32011
Click here XVII WNW Alb. 32027
Click here XVIII WNW OAW 32030
Click here XIX Battle Axe Schwerin 3201
Click here XX WNW Schwerin 32031

Eduard 1:48 Royal Blog
m_buchler
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Posted: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - 01:10 PM UTC
Thanks again Stephen-
JackFlash
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Posted: Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 03:38 PM UTC
For further study on the Fokker D.VII types here is a quote from the "late" Dan San Abbott - Aeroscale member.


Quoted Text

"From my studies , I have identified twenty-six (26) varitions of the Fok.D.VII by serial numbers by the three manufacturers. There were nine (9) variations by Fokker, seven (7) variants from Albatros, and ten (10) by OAW. There were changes in airframe, cowlings, engines, radiators and propellers. The changes were subtle, in some cases not percieved at all, i.e. the firewall. Most D.VII aircraft did NOT have a firewall until Fok.D.VIIF 4300/18. The fuselage was open, as on almost all (Fokker) aircraft with inline engines.

It seems that each manufacture delivered the aircraft with one propeller and there were there were two other manufacturers delivering diferent propellers as spares. Thus each variant had three approved propellers. Another airframe change was the dual rudder controls, two separate rudder horns and paired cables.

Spares are something that is rarely discussed. However with each airplane the German manufacturers, spares were delivered also. spares also included major components as well as hardware, wood, fabric, dope, paint and on and on. There were supposed to deliver 2 engines for each machine, one in the airframe and the other as a spare. Engines, and machine guns were government furnished items, the aircraft manufacturer did not buy them. With the critical engine production situation, that would have meant, the German engine manufactures would have had to deliver almost 100,000 engines during the war, there was less than one engine for each machine delivered.

The Spares included every thing that would be needed to maintain the aircraft in service. Items that were common breakage, such as Propellers, tailskids, wheels, shock cord, radiators had high numbers in the spares list. These items were in the Forward Airpark along with gasoline (benzene), oil at the Tank Stelle, (gas station). The remaining spares were held at the Armee Flugpark.

Pilots had little to no control over the spares replenishment of their plane. If they were smart, they would take real good care of their maintenance crew. I don't think the forward air park people cared whether it was a Axial, Garuda or a Wolff propeller they would send forward to the Jasta what was in store for that particular aircraft. They would probably send to the Jasta a propeller of the correct diameter and pitch for that machine,and not necessarily the propeller the serial number group.

. . .Firewalls were installed in the Fok D.VII from serial number:
1.Fokker, D.4300/18.
2.OAW, D.6300/18.
3.Albatros, D.5190/18.
Prior to the above serial numbers the Fok.D.VII did not have a firewall, which was common in most German aircraft with in line engines. All three versions of the first production Fok.D.VII, were equipped with the 180 Ps Mercedes D.IIIaü. all three only had the forward side panels, and none had louvers or a firewall.

By about the 153rd D.VII, Albatros added the rear side panel, and with the rear side panel, the firewall may have been added. And by the 286th D.VII had started adding louvers. Albatros built 1030 Fok.D.VII aircraft.

OAW started adding louvers on the 97 D.VII and by the 401st D.VII added the rear side panel and the firewall. OAW built 1300.

Fokker started adding louvers by the 273rd D.VII and the rear side panel and firewall on the on the 351st D.VII. Fok.built 847.

External changes involving camuflage and finish were numerous.

Blue skies,
Dan-San"


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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 - 09:47 AM UTC
Bringing this up for a fellow modeler.
JackFlash
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Posted: Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 12:53 PM UTC
As you may suspect with this thread I have tried to cover many of the Fokker D.VII kits. The ones we have not covered yet are the dust covered kits still out there on the shelves of small local hobby shops and even occassionally on e-bay or other such lists. Years ago Ray Rimell did an edition of Windsock on the various Fokker D.VII kits available at that time.

While we have kits today that are infinitely more detail and design friendly There are kits that by comparison are more labor intensive. The choice is how much money or time you want to put into the build.

Hopefully we will cover more of these in the future. I want to stress that just because a kit comes from an older mould does not mean that it is a "bad" kit.

In the future I hope to add other kits to this topic.

Also there were Cross changes ordered by Idflieg during early 1918.

". . .On 17 March 1918, the Flugzeugmeisterei of Idflieg issued a directive to change the cross style from the Iron Cross form to the balken cross, (balken = beam). An undimensioned illustration accompanied the directive. This caused confusion with the manufacturers and they requested more information. The Field units went ahead and started changing the crosses on the airplanes. This resulted in a wide variety of cross forms and styles as each unit painter interpreted the directive.

On 24 March 1918, Idflieg was a little more specific and stated the cross form should be a ratio of 4:1 length to width and the white border would be 150 mm wide.

On 10 April 1918, Idflieg issued a third order that specified the cross sizes to be used for the rudder, fuselage and wings. The size for the rudder 400 mm, for the fuselage, 600 and the wings 1000mm. The white border was 150mm wide. All these changes created havoc in the field, which resulted in a wide variety of balken crosses.

On 4 June 1918 the horizontal arm the vertical latin cross with an a ratio of 4:5 was introduced. The vertical arm was to be full chord of the wing and full depth of the side of the fuselage. The arm width was a ratio 8:1 of the vertical. The white border width was reduced to a ratio of 4:1 the width of the arm. The horizontal arm was to be the same wide as the vertical arm. The wing crosses are to be placed at the wing tips. On the Fok.D.VII, OAW did this, but, Fokker and Albatros did not.

Finally on 25 June 1918 the final form of the Latin cross was specified, the horizontal arm was to be that 1:1 ( both the same.) of the vertical arm. The width of the arm was to be a ratio of 8:1 of the vertical/ horizontal arms. The white border width to be a ratio of 4:1 of the vertical/horizontal arms. The cross was to be full chord of the wing and side of the fuselage.

This gives you the whole story in a nutshell.
Blue skies,
Dan-San"
JackFlash
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Posted: Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 09:19 AM UTC
The early Fokker built fok. D.VII were covered with with 4 color printed fabric; Serial numbers D.230/18 to D.374/17 wings 4 color fabric, fuselage and tailplane streaked deep green to light green. under surfaces turquoise.
D.375/18 to D.526/18 were covered with 4 or 5 color fabric.(402/28 was covered in 5 color, Jasta 16b, Uffz.Holtzem.
D.4250/18 to D.4449/18 were covered with 4 color fabric.
D.5050/18 to D.5149/18 were covered with 4 color fabric.
D.7604/18 to D.7805/18 were covered with both the 4 color and 5 color fabrics, which occurred between D.7772/18 and D.7788/18.
D.10300/18 to 10399/18 were covered with 5 color fabric.

Here is a bit of fun on the engines in the type.
JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 - 04:42 AM UTC
Bringing this up per a request.

JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 03:30 AM UTC
Just for the sake of having them in one place. For more reading on the various license built Fokker D.VII represented in 1:48 kit form.

Click here I Eduard Royal Feature
Click here II Eduard OAW Feature
Click here III Eduard Schwerin Dual Combo review
Click here IV Roden Schwerin kit #415 Feature
Click here V Eduard Schwerin Weekend kit blog
Click here VI Eduard 2nd OAW issue Review
Click here VII Eduard MAG Dual Combo Review
Click here VIII Eduard Johannistahl Review
Click here IX DML / Dragon Kit Review
Click here X Hasegawa Kit Review
Click here XI Jager Kit Review
Click here XII Roden Early Schwerin kit Review
Click here XIII Eduard OAW 1st Issue Review
Click here XIV Eduard mid OAW Limited Edition.
Click here XXI Eduard OAW Weekend kit Review.

1:28 scale kit
Click here XV Revell Kit Review.

1:32 scale kit
Click here XVI WNW Schwerin 32011
Click here XVII WNW Alb. 32027
Click here XVIII WNW OAW 32030
Click here XIX Battle Axe Schwerin 3201
Click here XX WNW Schwerin 32031

Eduard 1:48 Royal Blog[/quote]
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