You can add my name to the list although my track record for finishing a campaign of late is not good, although I've been without a bench for several months.
A 'few' Italian aircraft in the stash! Although if it's allowed I'd like to do the Martin-Baker MB-5, first flight May 44.
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Littorio
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 10:20 AM UTC
Littorio
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 06:15 AM UTC
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You can add my name to the list although my track record for finishing a campaign of late is not good, although I've been without a bench for several months.
A 'few' Italian aircraft in the stash! Although if it's allowed I'd like to do the Martin-Baker MB-5, first flight May 44.
If the MB-5 is not allowed I'll go for the rare of the overshadowed and build the Caproni Vizzola F.4 only one built and used by 303 Squadriglia in the defense of Roma.
md72
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 06:44 AM UTC
I found a crack in the matrix, the serial number supplied with my P-63 falls between two groups of planes sent to the USSR. No record of where the missing planes went, even if the even money is on the USSR, I'll claim they went to the USAAF and use the S/N decal along with star and bar insignia. 
amegan
#243
Joined: March 21, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 04:21 AM UTC
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Judging by the previous posts the aircraft had to be operational, I was looking at the Miles M20 but it was never operational, and I don't think the MB-5 was either. Shame. currently thinking along Me-163 or He-162 lines or if I can acquire a Cr-32 or a Glad in 1/48, they would fit in with my general current build theme of 1930s transitional aircraft and go nicely with my Cr-42, I-15, and Fury. I already decided I need an He-51, Polikarpov I-16, Mitsubishi A5M, Boeing P-26, Curtis P-36, Fokker DXXI, and PZL P11 in addition to the above. I suppose any of those would do except possibly the HE-51 and the P-26
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You can add my name to the list although my track record for finishing a campaign of late is not good, although I've been without a bench for several months.
A 'few' Italian aircraft in the stash! Although if it's allowed I'd like to do the Martin-Baker MB-5, first flight May 44.
Judging by the previous posts the aircraft had to be operational, I was looking at the Miles M20 but it was never operational, and I don't think the MB-5 was either. Shame. currently thinking along Me-163 or He-162 lines or if I can acquire a Cr-32 or a Glad in 1/48, they would fit in with my general current build theme of 1930s transitional aircraft and go nicely with my Cr-42, I-15, and Fury. I already decided I need an He-51, Polikarpov I-16, Mitsubishi A5M, Boeing P-26, Curtis P-36, Fokker DXXI, and PZL P11 in addition to the above. I suppose any of those would do except possibly the HE-51 and the P-26
Littorio
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 05:20 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextYou can add my name to the list although my track record for finishing a campaign of late is not good, although I've been without a bench for several months.
A 'few' Italian aircraft in the stash! Although if it's allowed I'd like to do the Martin-Baker MB-5, first flight May 44.
Judging by the previous posts the aircraft had to be operational
OK so the question to Richard is can I do the Caproni Vizzola F.4 as only one was ever built but it was used by 303 Squadriglia in the defense of Roma 1943.
If not I'll dig out one of the more 'common' Italians, Mc.205, Re.2005 or G.55
3rdArmoredVet
Joined: August 28, 2013
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 08:02 AM UTC
I'm gonna break away from my usual armor builds for this GB. I propose to do a Chinese version of the Boeing P-26C. I haven't decided on scale yet but probably will be in 1/32
cliffnetherlands
Joined: September 25, 2013
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 08:31 AM UTC
there's some cool stuff flying around as idea's. I limited myself to planes i already have in my stash. At the moment leaning towards a Morane saulnier 406 or a Koolhoven..oh well time enuff to decide.
Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 09:02 AM UTC
Sorry folks, I've been busy house paintings I've let this slide a bit. (My daughter is getting married in November, and the reception is at our house)
The GB is not official yet, and it probably won't begin until the middle of 2014.
I'll get back to you about your questions and concerns in the next several days. I want to finish the house painting by Friday, so I'll be able to look at this then.
I'm pleased that so many are interested.
I also don't want to exclude any subjects without serious thought.
Regards, Richard B.
The GB is not official yet, and it probably won't begin until the middle of 2014.
I'll get back to you about your questions and concerns in the next several days. I want to finish the house painting by Friday, so I'll be able to look at this then.
I'm pleased that so many are interested.
I also don't want to exclude any subjects without serious thought.
Regards, Richard B.
Bink123
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:37 AM UTC
The Caproni Vizzola F 4 was operational, so it would fall into the same category as the P-80, therefore WOULD be eligible for this GB.
As for the Martin-Baker MB 5, it never became operational. By accounts it was a superb aircraft and would have been spectacular in WW2 and in Korea, too bad. To be eligible for this GB, an aircraft needed to have been operational. This aircraft WOULD NOT be eligible for this GB, unfortunately.
(Maybe a future GB theme could be. 'What Might have Been'. The MB-5, Supermarine Spiteful, the BAC TSR2, and Avro Arrow would be great subjects.)
These two aircraft and the F-82, and the P-80 are subjects that are the border line of eligibility. In these cases, I've drawn the line on whether they were assigned to an operational unit.
As for the Martin-Baker MB 5, it never became operational. By accounts it was a superb aircraft and would have been spectacular in WW2 and in Korea, too bad. To be eligible for this GB, an aircraft needed to have been operational. This aircraft WOULD NOT be eligible for this GB, unfortunately.
(Maybe a future GB theme could be. 'What Might have Been'. The MB-5, Supermarine Spiteful, the BAC TSR2, and Avro Arrow would be great subjects.)
These two aircraft and the F-82, and the P-80 are subjects that are the border line of eligibility. In these cases, I've drawn the line on whether they were assigned to an operational unit.
Littorio
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 06:45 AM UTC
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The Caproni Vizzola F 4 was operational, so it would fall into the same category as the P-80, therefore WOULD be eligible for this GB.
As for the Martin-Baker MB 5, it never became operational. By accounts it was a superb aircraft and would have been spectacular in WW2 and in Korea, too bad. To be eligible for this GB, an aircraft needed to have been operational. This aircraft WOULD NOT be eligible for this GB, unfortunately.
(Maybe a future GB theme could be. 'What Might have Been'. The MB-5, Supermarine Spiteful, the BAC TSR2, and Avro Arrow would be great subjects.)
These two aircraft and the F-82, and the P-80 are subjects that are the border line of eligibility. In these cases, I've drawn the line on whether they were assigned to an operational unit.
OK thank you Richard, so the Caproni Vizzola F 4 it is.
Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 11:55 PM UTC
Campaign motto ?
Nulli Secundus. (Second to None)
Or
Servitum Nulli Secundus (Service Second to None)
Nulli Secundus. (Second to None)
Or
Servitum Nulli Secundus (Service Second to None)
Lakota
#123
Joined: November 17, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, October 13, 2013 - 01:51 PM UTC
Howdy Y'all:
@Richard-both mottos sound good to me. Got a banner in mind?
I'm in if I'm not moving to new job next year. I hope to build a P-36A, F-2A, I-16, Mig 3, Ki-27 or He-162. I think those all qualify. Any suggestions for a D-Day fighter? My club will have a D-Day contest next year.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
@Richard-both mottos sound good to me. Got a banner in mind?
I'm in if I'm not moving to new job next year. I hope to build a P-36A, F-2A, I-16, Mig 3, Ki-27 or He-162. I think those all qualify. Any suggestions for a D-Day fighter? My club will have a D-Day contest next year.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Monday, October 14, 2013 - 02:24 AM UTC
I have come up with a potential ribbon, but a banner, not yet. Got any ideas?
I'm not a ww2 aviation expert by any means. A D-Day fighter? Hmm.
I'll have to research this.
Later.....
A Hawker Tempest would qualify, the Typhoon would not.
As for a ribbon, I have a black silhouette of a Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate (Frank) against a background of a sunset. I'll post it as soon as I review how to post images.
I'm not a ww2 aviation expert by any means. A D-Day fighter? Hmm.
I'll have to research this.
Later.....
A Hawker Tempest would qualify, the Typhoon would not.
As for a ribbon, I have a black silhouette of a Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate (Frank) against a background of a sunset. I'll post it as soon as I review how to post images.
amegan
#243
Joined: March 21, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 09:51 AM UTC
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Howdy Y'all:
@Richard-both mottos sound good to me. Got a banner in mind?
I'm in if I'm not moving to new job next year. I hope to build a P-36A, F-2A, I-16, Mig 3, Ki-27 or He-162. I think those all qualify. Any suggestions for a D-Day fighter? My club will have a D-Day contest next year.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
I notice that almost all nightfighters are allowed, so for D-Day P-61, Beaufighter, Heinkel 219, Ju-88 are all possible, Tempest and Meteor were both operational but not over the beaches, same for the Fulmar. This might be a difficult mix of projects as most of the types used over the beaches are on the banned list but a way out could be a nightfighter. Personally I'm waiting until nearer the start date, and see what turns up.
Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 03:57 AM UTC
Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 03:58 AM UTC
Here is my proposal for the design of a ribbon for this Group Build (enlarged for easy viewing)
It is the silhouette of a Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate fighter against a background of a setting sun - the image, other than the silhouette, blotted out by the light.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=564
The actual ribbon will be 50 pixels wide by 20 pixels tall and be 4K in size.
It is the silhouette of a Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate fighter against a background of a setting sun - the image, other than the silhouette, blotted out by the light.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=564
The actual ribbon will be 50 pixels wide by 20 pixels tall and be 4K in size.
North4003
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 04:26 PM UTC
I have a Swiss MS410, Finnish Buffalo and Soviet Lagg-5 on the shelf that would make good subjects.
Jessie_C
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 04:30 PM UTC
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Campaign motto ?
Nulli Secundus. (Second to None)
Or
Servitum Nulli Secundus (Service Second to None)
Nil illigitimi carborundum?
Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Friday, October 18, 2013 - 01:05 AM UTC
Nil illigitimi carborundum
Translation-
Don't let the bastards grind you down.
From Wikipedia -
"The phrase originated during World War II. Lexicographer Eric Partridge attributes it to British army intelligence very early in the war (using the plural dative/ablative illegitimis). The phrase was adopted by US Army general "Vinegar" Joe Stillwell as his motto during the war.[1] It was later further popularized in the US by 1964 presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.
A wooden plaque bearing the phrase sits prominently on the desk of U.S. House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner."
I like it, given the historical context.
PS I found a correct REAL Latin wording ...
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
(Don't let the bastards wear you down). Nil illegitimi carborundum has a nicer ring, though.
Translation-
Don't let the bastards grind you down.
From Wikipedia -
"The phrase originated during World War II. Lexicographer Eric Partridge attributes it to British army intelligence very early in the war (using the plural dative/ablative illegitimis). The phrase was adopted by US Army general "Vinegar" Joe Stillwell as his motto during the war.[1] It was later further popularized in the US by 1964 presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.
A wooden plaque bearing the phrase sits prominently on the desk of U.S. House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner."
I like it, given the historical context.
PS I found a correct REAL Latin wording ...
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
(Don't let the bastards wear you down). Nil illegitimi carborundum has a nicer ring, though.
Lakota
#123
Joined: November 17, 2008
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Posted: Friday, October 18, 2013 - 01:07 PM UTC
Howdy Y'all 
Forget the D-Day plane, with a ribbon like that a Ki-84 definitely moves up on my list. Especially since I didn't originally consider it.
I think Jessica's idea is perfect. Go for it!
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
Forget the D-Day plane, with a ribbon like that a Ki-84 definitely moves up on my list. Especially since I didn't originally consider it.
I think Jessica's idea is perfect. Go for it!
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
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Bink123
Joined: June 23, 2008
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Posted: Monday, October 21, 2013 - 09:59 AM UTC
I read that it would be a good idea to design a banner for a GB. Below is a draft banner for the Overshadowed Fighters GB.
Jessie_C
Joined: September 03, 2009
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Posted: Monday, October 21, 2013 - 10:27 AM UTC
Maybe make the top half appear to be in shadow? Or perhaps the tail in the shadow and the nose coming out into the sunlight?
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