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P-61 Black widow group build
Jessie_C
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Posted: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 11:56 AM UTC
Next I shall use "Splendiferous".
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 12:50 PM UTC
Impressive to say the least. I'm not even sure that's a real word. How about just plan of fashion: Way Cool
Joel
Joel
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 01:02 PM UTC
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After our discussion on exactly what the area directly behind the intake screen is, photographic proof showed that it wasn't the exhaust that virtually every kit manufacture has depicted, but rather a cover plate or access hatch. So I filed/sanded the exhaust off, then made a cover plate from .040 sheet.
Joel
Joel,
I don't suppose you could share the photographic proof, could you? Enquiring minds want to know!
Great vocab there Jessie, keep it up!
Michael
Jessie_C
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Posted: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 01:33 PM UTC
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Impressive to say the least. I'm not even sure that's a real word.
It's a perfectly cromulent word!
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 05:08 AM UTC
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Quoted TextImpressive to say the least. I'm not even sure that's a real word.
It's a perfectly cromulent word!
Jess, keep this up, and I'll have to start using the Wikipedia dictionary just to understand your posts.
Joel
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 05:10 AM UTC
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Quoted TextAfter our discussion on exactly what the area directly behind the intake screen is, photographic proof showed that it wasn't the exhaust that virtually every kit manufacture has depicted, but rather a cover plate or access hatch. So I filed/sanded the exhaust off, then made a cover plate from .040 sheet.
Joel
Joel,
I don't suppose you could share the photographic proof, could you? Enquiring minds want to know!...
Michael
Michael,
Be glad to share. Here's a few pictures to prove the point.
Joel
Jessie_C
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 01:47 PM UTC
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Jess, keep this up, and I'll have to start using the Wikipedia dictionary just to understand your posts.
You're experiencing a touch of difficulty understanding Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 02:08 PM UTC
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Michael,
Be glad to share. Here's a few pictures to prove the point.
Joel
Thanks Joel, that would seem to do it!
BTW, Happy Hanukkah everyone!
Michael
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 - 02:30 PM UTC
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Quoted TextJess, keep this up, and I'll have to start using the Wikipedia dictionary just to understand your posts.
You're experiencing a touch of difficulty understanding Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness?
Absolutely
Joel
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 07:40 AM UTC
Just another small update. Time to deal with the spoilerons. Each wing has 3 spoilerons which can be positioned in either the open or closed position. As was already posted, they were always left in the down/closed position when the plane was parked.
GWH has the side brackets molded on each side of the spoilerons, making it easy to display in the open position if one still decides to do so. I just bent them back and forth a few times and they broke right off. A little filing on all four sides and they are ready to go.
The recess in the wings for them are either a tad to shallow, or the PE parts are to thin to bring them flush with the surface of the wing.
Also, I've had issues trying to position large, flat PE parts using CA as they seem to stick instantly. Gary Wickham has a easy fix for this: glue the PE spoilerons to thin plastic sheet, trim, then glue the sheet to the wings. You have plenty of time to position them correctly.
Joel
GWH has the side brackets molded on each side of the spoilerons, making it easy to display in the open position if one still decides to do so. I just bent them back and forth a few times and they broke right off. A little filing on all four sides and they are ready to go.
The recess in the wings for them are either a tad to shallow, or the PE parts are to thin to bring them flush with the surface of the wing.
Also, I've had issues trying to position large, flat PE parts using CA as they seem to stick instantly. Gary Wickham has a easy fix for this: glue the PE spoilerons to thin plastic sheet, trim, then glue the sheet to the wings. You have plenty of time to position them correctly.
Joel
md72
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 07:48 AM UTC
I'm going to place mine on hold for the holidays, too many other projects I want to get done. And I need to plan a bit for how to dress it up as well. After the last battle with the spoilerons, I'm just going to cover them up and show them 'closed'
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eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 07:56 AM UTC
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I'm going to place mine on hold for the holidays, too many other projects I want to get done. And I need to plan a bit for how to dress it up as well. After the last battle with the spoilerons, I'm just going to cover them up and show them 'closed'
Quoted Texteschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation
Mark, As I said, when the aircraft is parked, they're in the closed position. Gluing them to .040 sheet and then gluing to the wing is fast and easy. You just need to sand the sheet a tad to get them flush to the surface.
I try never to have more then one build going on at once. I just get lost in both, and come to a complete halt. Never figured out how you guys can multi task building models.
Joel
md72
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 08:52 AM UTC
Well, the Airfix kit has a slot in the upper wing, and a trench in the lower wing. Another piece locates in the trench and is supposed to show thru the slot. Doesn't work so well in practice. I put quite a bit of sanding into the effort and barely got the tip of the spoileron to show thru the wing. For that much work, I think I'm better off just filling in the slot and trench and getting on with life.
As to multiple kits in WIP, I'm blaming 1/72 scale ADD. Many 1/72 kits really don't lend themselves to building up sub assemblies. You can't really go work on the wings while the glue on the fuselage dries, especially if the there is a common wing bottom and you want to minimize the effort of cleaning up the wing fuselage join. The P-61 kit does lend itself to sub assemblies, the pod, the booms and the wings.
And living in the Pacific North Wet does put a crimp in getting painting done.
As to multiple kits in WIP, I'm blaming 1/72 scale ADD. Many 1/72 kits really don't lend themselves to building up sub assemblies. You can't really go work on the wings while the glue on the fuselage dries, especially if the there is a common wing bottom and you want to minimize the effort of cleaning up the wing fuselage join. The P-61 kit does lend itself to sub assemblies, the pod, the booms and the wings.
And living in the Pacific North Wet does put a crimp in getting painting done.
bdanie6
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 09:05 AM UTC
Joel, thanks for posting the pictures of the access hatch on the pods. At least that is one fix I can handle on the Monogram kits. 
Later
Later
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 09:11 AM UTC
Mark, I must confess that I'm not familiar with the Airfix kit. Barely remember the old Monogram kit. I was assuming that you were doing either the Monogram kit or the GWH kit.
Sounds like you have a handful to get the spoilerons looking right. If you just use sheet to fill the cavities, can you scribe the panel lines?
I live clear across the country from you. Right now it rains nearly everyday, and or it's below freezing. I'm really lucky as we invested in Central air conditioning more then 25 years ago, and it was one of the best home investments we ever made. If humidity is an issue, have you considered a small room dehumidifier?
Joel
Joel
Sounds like you have a handful to get the spoilerons looking right. If you just use sheet to fill the cavities, can you scribe the panel lines?
I live clear across the country from you. Right now it rains nearly everyday, and or it's below freezing. I'm really lucky as we invested in Central air conditioning more then 25 years ago, and it was one of the best home investments we ever made. If humidity is an issue, have you considered a small room dehumidifier?
Joel
Joel
Jessie_C
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 09:12 AM UTC
Multitasking is easy. Build a little on kit A until you reach a stopping point and set it aside to dry. Then pull out kit B and do the same. Apply these instructions to kits C through Z and all of a sudden your WIP pile overshadows your stash. It's a bit like being a one person assembly line.
md72
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 09:22 AM UTC
I've seen that suggested, break out a bunch of similar kits, do all the common interior painting, build up the cockpits, the landing gear etc. Assemble, then mask as necessary and paint the common colors at once. decal and detail and viola, a small collection.
USAAF OD over neutral gray, USN Glossy sea blue, USN Gray over white, USAF SEA camo, I'm sure you could do the same with British, German, Soviet or Japanese finishes too.
USAAF OD over neutral gray, USN Glossy sea blue, USN Gray over white, USAF SEA camo, I'm sure you could do the same with British, German, Soviet or Japanese finishes too.
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 09:24 AM UTC
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Multitasking is easy. Build a little on kit A until you reach a stopping point and set it aside to dry. Then pull out kit B and do the same. Apply these instructions to kits C through Z and all of a sudden your WIP pile overshadows your stash. It's a bit like being a one person assembly line.
Jessica, Sounds easier said then done. For me, I need to concentrate on the whole build, breaking it up into small, workable phases. I spend more time studying my research material as I do actually trying to duplicate what I'm looking at. Just the thought of building another kit while working on the P-61 build is mind boggling.
Joel
md72
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 09:36 AM UTC
Joel, your way works, brilliantly, for you. Don't change 'cause of us... 
Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 10:01 AM UTC
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Joel, your way works, brilliantly, for you. Don't change 'cause of us...
Mark, thank you.
Joel
Jessie_C
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Posted: Monday, December 02, 2013 - 04:23 PM UTC
Mark beat me to it. Since your methods produce such excellent results, don't change them 
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 04:37 AM UTC
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Mark beat me to it. Since your methods produce such excellent results, don't change them
Jessica, Thanks for those encouraging words. I guess the bottom line is that you can't really teach a very old dog new tricks.
Joel
Peterpools
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 12:15 PM UTC
JA
Old doesn't even come close
Bro
Old doesn't even come close
Bro
Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 12:42 PM UTC
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JA
Old doesn't even come close
Bro
Bro, Just remember, you're right behind me.
Joel
Peterpools
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 - 12:48 PM UTC
JA
Of course, I'm younger!
Slim
Of course, I'm younger!
Slim
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