Merlin
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 - 10:03 PM UTC
Hi again
Looking at some of the photos, I've been a little concerned about the "sit" of the kit (it seems to be standing on tip-toe), and when I started work on the undercarriage this morning my immediate impression was that it seems very long. Laying one of the legs in its wheel well, it does look as though it's been moulded with no compression on the oleo:
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 - 10:52 PM UTC
Hi Rowan,
the length difference to Hasegawa is minimal.
My crate has a problem with angle, which is totally my fault, because i was a bit sloppy fitting one of the wings. This resulted in the mounting point of the u/c leg was a little bit too far forward and thus I could not reach a flatter angle.
BTW you should not count the mounting plug to the u/c leg length
all the best
Steffen
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Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 02:37 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Been following along on your triple build. Really nice work by all of you. I particularly appreciate Jean-Luc's comparison to the Hasegawa kit. The difference in the cockpit detail is just amazing.
I'm somewhat concerned that 2 sets of PE harnesses have shown cracking when bending. Did you slightly anneal the PE before bending? Hopefully, a little heat shouldn't effect the paint.
I've never built any aircraft other then USA aircraft to this point, but I'm starting to weaken with all these great Eduard kits.
And Steffen, feel better soon. Next year get a flu shot. Even if you do get the flu, it seems to be less of an issue.
Joel
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Merlin
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 08:07 AM UTC
Quoted Text
...BTW you should not count the mounting plug to the u/c leg length ...
Hi Steffen
LOL! Of course I didn't.
I'll try to post a better photo tomorrow to clarify my point.
As we're in the luxurious position of having an extra set of parts, I'll tinker with a shortened undercarriage to allow for compressed oleos. The fit of the gear legs on my kit is good enough to allow for them to be tacked in place and a swap made at a later stage if it looks better.
@ Joel - Cheers for your praise for the thread. I've got to say I've never encountered the "paint lifting" problem before on Eduard's etched parts (Is it actually paint? - not knowing how it's done has made me simply called it "pre-coloured" in reviews.) I don't know if it would survive annealing? - I've both avoided it and never needed to do it on their "pre-coloured" seat harnesses.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 10:40 PM UTC
Hi all,
Quoted Text
do not remove the seam as J-L did ..
I didn't...
Back from a small vacation break in the Vosges mountains I did the basic camouflage of my two models. I chose the first two marking options of the new Eduard kit. I prefer the second one but used the first one for the new kit as the aircraft represented is the only one carrying the canon pods and the Trop filter...
Interesting is the way both camouflages differ quite much, especially the way the two RLM 74/75 colors have been applied on the upper surfaces...
Next step will be to apply the tactical and basic unit markings (yellow cowling, fuselage bands and rudder colors).
All the best,
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 11:29 PM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc
Very nice indeed!
I did wonder about the exhausts - the mould seams are so faint on mine, they're hard to see. I've just stretched some sprue to beef them up a bit.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 01:11 AM UTC
Hi again
Five minutes' work and some stretched sprue starts to improve things:
I think they should be fine once they're roughened up a little.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 01:28 AM UTC
Hi Rowan,
Looking excellent!
I have my idea how I will do the weld lines on my exhausts later...
In the meantime I have added the yellow, white and blue colors to my models...
To be continued...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 02:20 AM UTC
Rowan,
When I looked at the picture of the main gear, I also at 1st thought that you shouldn't count the length of the mounting beg, but after a little more thought, you need to. The peg and its corresponding female mount ends at the top of the wheel well. So the full length plus peg length would equal the actual kit landing gear length.
Jean-Luc,
That's a very interest camo scheme on the wings. Don't think I've ever seen one quite like that.
Joel
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi Joel
There's "counting" and "not-counting" in my weird and wonderful way of measuring things!
Basically, I wasn't including it in the part that seems to long. Clear? No - neither am I.
Anyway, back to where I'm at. Every picture, as they say, tells a story:
Certainly not the neatest pre-shading I've ever done (it was getting ragged by the end), but in my battle with tendonitis, I'm afraid my wonky hand definitely won the day - and I could hardly even feel the airbrush by the time I'd done.
It was definitely telling me it was time to stop before I had a real accident and messed things up badly.
I'd hoped to do more as it's my one day off work, but to be on the safe side, I'll call it quits at the workbench for the day. I've got plenty of reviews to work on, so I won't be idle.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 04:01 AM UTC
Cheers Guys, great progress!!
meanwhile I finally got all decals on (hopefully) and gave it another Klear coat. And then ....
water colours this time
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 07:44 AM UTC
Hi Steffen
Now, that is a
serious weathering coat!
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 11:35 AM UTC
Top-notch work all the way around guy's
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 11:51 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 11:54 AM UTC
Hi Steffen
looks like the AK bottles will end with a JG54 finish !
Nice effort.
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 06:23 PM UTC
A great thread guys, well done
I wasn't going to get this kit, as I now build in 1/32 scale, but you are beginning to sway me somewhat
Santa-Luc, I do like both of the schemes that you have chosen
do you think that it would be worth me producing camo masks for the red 13 scheme?
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 06:29 PM UTC
Hello guys,
Very nice work indeed, and although I'm definitely not a 109 fan, this looks like a very nice kit (despite buzzing elsewhere about accuracy).
Ted, as usual, you're acting as a real pro about that matter and in the way of presenting "the case" !
Best regards,
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 06:38 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Steffen
looks like the AK bottles will end with a JG54 finish !
Nice effort.
Madcop
Hi Daniel
no it won't
I use the AK/MIG/.. stuff only for pinwashes and smaller areas.
The whole kit mess is either done with water colors (like in this case) or with oils depending on how pronounced I would like to have the panel lines. With oils it is rather subdued and with water colors I get an really overdon effect. Which is what I want in this case to show the nice surface structure of the Eduard kit.
an example:
For an oils wash you can have a look at my
Eduard Bf 109E-7trop buildall the best
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 07:28 PM UTC
Hi all,
Joel, the camouflage is indeed intriguing but it was quite often used by the Germans for the Bf 109 mid-types (F and G)...
And it was not a weird idea of a crazy painter but strict German "Vorschrift" (regulation). Sometimes the pattern was more like a sawtooth (like in this case) and sometimes more like stairs (squarish) though...
Tonight I have applied the decals...
Not much to report here, they worked extremely fine as usual for Cartograf produced ones...
The numerous stencils have been printed by Eduard though and one must be careful because the smaller ones are fragile and... there are many! Sometimes it reminded me of their MiG-21...
Next step will be the wash like Steffen.
To be continued...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 08:37 PM UTC
Hi J-L,
it is really hard to keep just myu ahead of you ..
cheers
Steffen
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2014 - 07:39 AM UTC
Hi Steffen
Looking good!
Sadly, I messed my hand up worse than I thought yesterday and the carpal tunnel syndrome has flared up badly. The doctor has strapped my hand up and advised me to avoid using a computer as much as possible for a while (although I'll have to work out a way to publish my backlog of reviews somehow). I can't really feel my fingers at the moment, so my Gustav is on hold for the duration.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2014 - 10:36 AM UTC
Hi Rowan,
That's too bad about your hand...
I have made some progress on my side and reached the step were one has to put the landing gear in place...
Sadly, I have something bad to report about the kit. I do think the undercarriage's angle is not 100% accurate. Something was disturbing me in Steffen's photo of his model (above) but I couldn't figure out what it was until I test fitted the landing gear legs on my model. I think they should lean much more forward than what Eduard did. Here is my model with MODIFIED landing gear legs...
Maybe it's not much, but for me it improves the sit of the model quite a bit. Here is how I modified the kit's parts...
Below are two comparison shots with the Eduard (modified) and Hasegawa models...
Tomorrow I will be at a Model Expo so there won't be any new update until the beginning of next week.
To be continued...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2014 - 06:40 PM UTC
Hi all,
In the above post I have accidentally included a duplicate image. The second one should be the following...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2014 - 08:16 PM UTC
Thanks Rowan!
I wish you a speedy recovery and hopefully you have not too much pain. Just stay away from the keyboard ... as if such thing is possible
J-L: Nice progress!
Well I noticed I had assembled one wing wrong when it was all too late so I had to live with the angle I could still reach on both legs. I am not a big fan of such surgery.
The legs of the 109 series changed several times as did the angles ... I am never sure if I got them right. With the u/c doors attached it looks o.k. and I decided to add the drop tank which will help ..
BTW this is a fake image as the tail wheel is above the main wheels and suggests a less flat angle than you did:
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2014 - 11:04 PM UTC
Starting with some weathering: Oil stains on the lower fuselage and drop tank:
all the best
Steffen
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