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Rumblings in the Dark
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 12:23 PM UTC
g9+gv is taking shape. cockpit painted and inserted into the fuselage wings and rudder are
on as is the cowling. the owl decals arrived. they have grey code letters, are the hasegawa ones
red Jesper? it looks the part dry fitted.

i want to try to smash mould the radar dome as the profile is there with the decals.
There is also a modification to the rudder. it doesn't look like that is on hasegawa kit i can scan
the profile for 1/48 if you like Jesper.



They have resin parts for 1/48 in stock but 1/72 is sold out otherwise I would just buy one.
The decals look to be well printed.

They specialise in night fighter conversions of all sorts.
I wonder would they do us a discount in return for getting their products
on view here? No harm in asking I've just popped off an email to them.

Would anyone be interested in using their stuff?

no pics as the camera is dead sorry folks, will try and get some batteries tomorrow.
will have to get another one of these tamiya 109 for some spanish emils for which I've got decals too.

The kitchen is going into our house tomorrow so I have the potential to do a bit of airbrushing next
week. That should catch me up on a few of the projects so I'll try to get this one up to the
painting stage by then.
Bigrip74
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 03:18 PM UTC
@ Jesper: nice looking 109, I like the box tip pic great pick Jesper.

@JP: Can not wait to see your's and Jespers builds on the tarmac.

Robert
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 04:41 PM UTC
Looks like i have some extra time to fit a build in for this campaign. So i've hit the enlist button. This will be my build, Eduards excellent Bristol Fighter in Home Defence markings, where they were used for night interceptions on Gothas.

The going will be slow intially until i finish my other project, then i'll give this one full attention.



Andrew
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 05:05 PM UTC
Welcome to the campaign Andrew, and nice selection.

Robert
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Posted: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 08:42 PM UTC
Lovely sunny morning here in Fife, so got some batteries for the camera and took snaps
of the me109e.

me 109e night fighterme 109e night fighter
me 109e night fighter

Nice choice with the Bristol Andrew. If I can pick up another se5a I'll do a home defence one too.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 01:41 AM UTC
Thanks for the comments on my Bf 109E.

JP, the letters are light grey and look to be the usual Hasegawa quality.

I notice that Owl show the Bf 109 E with a spinner tip. I am building my Bf 109 E without the spinner tip and with the 20 mm gun in the nose. It looks like it has no spinner tip in the picture I have posted earlier, but maybe JV and GV were equipped differently.(?)

I do not think I will modify the rudder as my skills are not good enough to rebuild the rudder. However, I might go for the Owl part as the kit also gives me a more detailed Peil G device. On the Hasegawa kit it is simply a blob of clear plastic.
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 10:15 AM UTC
hi jesper. I'm never happier than when there is point of controversy so I've done a
little digging. I found this site and thread

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=6075&start=0&p=32376&#entry32376

and this site

http://www.gyges.dk/heraldics.htm

Which suggests the aircraft code at least should be in red. other letters could be grey or red. for NJG1
I'm not sure anyone has the "right" answer on this as these units were experimental.
NJG1 didn't even score a kill with these aircraft.
I've no idea to the references these sites use to get their info so some more investigation is required.

My current thinking is to do the aircraft letter in red and use the decals for the others in grey to see how it looks.
In fact I have some all red decal sheet I could use instead of masking.
Owl and hasegawa have all grey and 21st century toys do one with all red letters
I'll try a mix and if it looks pants I'll go with all grey using the owl decal for the a/c code.

BTW those two photos are of aircraft G and J respectively. So J definitely has a nose cannon and
peil for sure.

G9+GV of NJG 1 was flown by the later ace Ofw Paul Gildner from Leeuwarden during the Spring of '41

Since night figthers are to bring down heavy bomber I'd expect them to have cannon fitted.
but like I say this was an experimental unit so all options are probably open.

Anyone who knows more than my meanderings please contribute to this discussion.
That'll be you Petr Owl of Owl decals
jaypee
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 09:43 PM UTC
found another site that suggest a red aircraft code and grey letters for G9+?V a/c

http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Profiles/ETO_AXIS_Luftwaffe_NJG1.html

Near the bottom are the 109s but all the way through is a coloured letter of the
aircraft code. I realise I'm not using real research but taking these site as face
value. What I haven't found is any saying "these codes are all red or all grey".

Less googling and more building would suit better
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 02:47 PM UTC
JP: it looks like you are working hard on the information on the 109's that you and Jesper are building. Great work in finding those sites, I need to look into researching my Spitfire Vb more.

Robert
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 05:46 PM UTC
I'm fully onto the Bristol Fighter now that my previous subject is done. The fuselage halves are just about ready to go together.




Andrew
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Posted: Friday, April 03, 2009 - 06:25 PM UTC
Andrew: NICE job on the interior. All I can say is WOW.



Robert
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 03:10 AM UTC
Nice info, JP. Thanks for all the links. I will see what letters I can find in my stash, but I suspect it will be none. I will probably go ahead with the kit supplied decals.

Excellent interior, Andrew. Looks neat and outstanding!
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 08:45 PM UTC
@Jesper Chicken! If you have time could you post a photo of the peilg unit?
I'll try and smash mould one but would be interesting to see how the hasegawa
compares to th Owl conversion.

Hopefully I will finally be able to use the AB tonight but the dust in the house
due to building work has just been horrendous and healthy activities have
left me too tired to model in the evening. Now I have the kitchen back perhaps
I'll make some progress on the backlog of stuff waiting for the paintshop.
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 09:51 PM UTC

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@Jesper Chicken!


Guilty as charged I do not trust my own masking or painting skills enough.


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If you have time could you post a photo of the peilg unit?
I'll try and smash mould one but would be interesting to see how the hasegawa
compares to th Owl conversion.



Sure, no problem. Below are the pictures. As I wrote earlier the Hasegawa part is basically just a blob of frosted "clear" plastic. None of the inner details are there. I think it will still look quite okay none the less when fitted in place.
I now have the base coat on my Bf 109. Next a few issues around the cockpit will be to be handled - then it is on to the real painting.






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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 11:19 PM UTC
eek that is frosty alright. Is that hasegawa 1/32 or 1/48?
Thanks Jesper. Esp useful photos with the ruler for scale.
It is the little things that let me know you care
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 11:27 PM UTC
Nice 109 Jesper, you can never have too many Bf109's afterall. Though for me it's already April and i haven't built a single Messerschmitt yet this year, this same time last year i had already done 3!

I've made more progress on the Bristol. Has some trouble with the underside of the fuselage for some reason. No matter what i did i couldn't avoid a sort of "pinching in of the bottom seam line. Not a gap at all...it sort of ended up concave and needed some Tamiya filler to level it. Luckily there was no detail on the bottom to sand away- it's all flat and so wasn't a hard fix.



The bottom colour and the top PC10 is done. Just the battleship grey areas to do tomorrow. I tried a few different paints for PC10, setting samples out on a bit of plastic to see what i liked. Tamiya Olive Drab looked way to dark and "black green". Gunze Olive Drab looked quite good. But i settled on Pollyscale PC10. Initially i thought it looked a bit too light and grassy green, but when it dries i quite like it. It's almost a perfect match for the Bristol at the RAF museum at Hendon.



I've also made a choice on actual aircraft. All the Eduard options have their good points. But i've decided to do the aircraft flown by Lt AJ Arkell and ATC Stagg that actually shot down a Gotha during the night of May 20 1918. Actual successful interceptions were extremely rare at night in WW1, more luck than anything.

Andrew
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 12:43 AM UTC

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eek that is frosty alright. Is that hasegawa 1/32 or 1/48?
Thanks Jesper. Esp useful photos with the ruler for scale.
It is the little things that let me know you care



It is Hasegawa 1/48. I am actually happy that it is a bit frosty so one cannot see the missing parts on the inside.

Thanks for the comment, Andrew. I totally agree - with the addition that one cannot have too many Wurgers as well
I am already planning more Bf 109s and FW190s for later in the year.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 10:12 PM UTC
Great progress Andrew.

I now have a peilg iV !
smash molded a cover and made an aerial with some brass wire, tube and some slivers of plasticard it is pretty crude but was built with the naked eye to be viewed with the naked eye. Extended the rudder too. Took a few hours last night so no paint on yet either.

peilg V and extened rudderpeilg V and extened rudder
peilg V and extened rudder

The dimensions of the pielg cover based on those in the owl decal sheet and Jespers photo of the hasegawa part. they matched pretty well actually.

Click on the images for larger pictures.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 05:28 AM UTC
JayPee: Nice cover for your camera toting 109.

Robert
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 10:43 PM UTC
Thats no camera, it is a direction finder for homing in on those night raiders.
Mind you these 109s never scored a victory so maybe a camera would have been
just as good.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 11:17 PM UTC

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Mind you these 109s never scored a victory ....



Hi JP

I would not say so ... Herbert Ihlefeld score a few in such a machine and I think others too. Here is a model of it.



This is the Tamiya kit and very old (at least 10 years) and I must correct a few colour mistakes on it, before I take a few new pix. But it has the PeilG VI which was sometimes overpainted (as in this case). Built mine from Balsa wood without good plans just Mk.1 eye ball.

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 04:18 AM UTC
i meant the two 109s from njg1. At least that is what Petr owl has written on
the sheet from owl decals.

I like that scheme with the yellow trailing edges. At safety feature so you didn't run into the
trailing edge at night when you scramble? that would smart.

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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 05:10 AM UTC

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Thats no camera, it is a direction finder for homing in on those night raiders.
Mind you these 109s never scored a victory so maybe a camera would have been
just as good.



Sorry JP: I must not have had the light on (upstairs when I wrote this one. ) Any way your efforts with scracthing the cover looks like you will have an uniuqe a/c.

Robetr
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 11:05 AM UTC
Hey Robert we all post before we think.

Unique! That is funny my father in law uses that to describe something
as rubbish "Look at the job those builders have done, that is u-nique".

I know what you mean though, I've looked for example builds of this
aircraft and none i can find have the extended rudder or mixed colour
lettering. It will be unique. Hopefully in a good way
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 11:53 AM UTC
JP: I cant wait to see what you and Jesper post when your 109's are finished. They are looking good so far. Happy building.


Robert