Awsome update chuck
When I saw the scotch adhesive tip I ran right out and got some. It works great
Jim
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 08:24 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:35 PM UTC
LOL< Russ- Hannah will only bring a man pain!
Thanks, Jim- just don't run out and break your JVC saw when you read this...
Here we go again- take it away, Fritzi!
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Thanks, Jim- just don't run out and break your JVC saw when you read this...
Here we go again- take it away, Fritzi!
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 04:27 PM UTC
Chuck, I've almost had enough of reading the forum now, when is the movie coming out ??
As always, I am in awe of your talents in all areas, amazing stuff !!
Cheers, D
As always, I am in awe of your talents in all areas, amazing stuff !!
Cheers, D
Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 06:43 PM UTC
Ah, Ah! Chuck,
Excellent update again! Another saved monday morning...
Jean-Luc
Excellent update again! Another saved monday morning...
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 08:26 PM UTC
Hello chuk
beautiful update as always ... even if hannah is a bit sloppy on officers dress cote![](../modules/SquawkBox/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I have a question: Did you testfit the canopy before you beefed up the pit? Older aires sets are know to require the plastic thinned to a foil thickness to fit correct and in your pictures it seems as if the resin pit had spread the cockpit opening.....just a thought (and please do not kill the messenger)
all the best
Steffen
beautiful update as always ... even if hannah is a bit sloppy on officers dress cote
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I have a question: Did you testfit the canopy before you beefed up the pit? Older aires sets are know to require the plastic thinned to a foil thickness to fit correct and in your pictures it seems as if the resin pit had spread the cockpit opening.....just a thought (and please do not kill the messenger)
all the best
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 09:28 PM UTC
Very nice update!
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Posted: Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:24 AM UTC
I'm all smiles
Excellent up date Chuck !
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Excellent up date Chuck !
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Posted: Monday, October 26, 2009 - 02:04 AM UTC
" LOL< Russ- Hannah will only bring a man pain! "
sometimes you just gotta do something you know will hurt.........
great update chuck,by the way fritzi is the spitting image of someone i know.............
keep the updates coming
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great update chuck,by the way fritzi is the spitting image of someone i know.............
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keep the updates coming
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Posted: Monday, October 26, 2009 - 06:53 AM UTC
Looks great
Keep going
Cheers Nick
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Posted: Monday, October 26, 2009 - 07:29 AM UTC
I am not much of an aircraft modeler, nor do I usually have much interest in WW2 Axis subjects.
But Chuk's outstanding modeling talents - to say nothing of his wicked skill with the pen & ink - have me hooked yet again. This build is quite literally amazing.
-YL
But Chuk's outstanding modeling talents - to say nothing of his wicked skill with the pen & ink - have me hooked yet again. This build is quite literally amazing.
-YL
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 03:05 PM UTC
Thank you, thank you! Aeroscalers are a great bunch, indeed.
Steffen- that's a good call! I checked the canopy parts and while the main canopy fits, the windshield in a bit pinched. I'll take that into account when making new vacs. Thanks!
Paul Barton- I'm all ears- post a pic!
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Steffen- that's a good call! I checked the canopy parts and while the main canopy fits, the windshield in a bit pinched. I'll take that into account when making new vacs. Thanks!
Paul Barton- I'm all ears- post a pic!
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So much going on- so little modeling time! Why are automobile tail lights so hard to change, and styrene so easy to over-sand? In one case, the hands are too big- and in the other, WAY too big! Ditch-digging would make a greta hobby, don't you think?
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 03:17 PM UTC
Most excellent Chuck, most excellent indeed !
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 08:38 PM UTC
Excellent update this week Chuck- you're an expert teacher as well as a modeller, storyteller and artist.
What do you use to apply the liquid cement into the re-scribed lines? I have been using a sharpened piece of sprue as a final pass over the lines, and it removes most of the little bits of plastic caught in the line, without making the line deeper.
What do you use to apply the liquid cement into the re-scribed lines? I have been using a sharpened piece of sprue as a final pass over the lines, and it removes most of the little bits of plastic caught in the line, without making the line deeper.
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 03:52 AM UTC
Thanks, Damian!
Ben, I use a Touch-N-Flow applicator. It's the best for any use of liquid cement short of brushing over wide surfaces. Thanks!
Ben, I use a Touch-N-Flow applicator. It's the best for any use of liquid cement short of brushing over wide surfaces. Thanks!
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 05:13 AM UTC
Just read the whole thread, really amazing! Inspiring.
Thanks, Michael.
Thanks, Michael.
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Posted: Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 08:13 AM UTC
Looking good!! Can't wait to see the next installment..
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Posted: Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:58 PM UTC
hi chuck! i'd just like to echo whats already been said about this informative and entertaining thread.
on a more practical note, i have a bunch of photos of the 410 in the RAF museum cosford, i took them because i have 3 70's era revell 410 kits in my stash, but only one half started (it needed a heck of a re-scribe on those raised panel lines!) if you like i could get them up on photobucket.
and when your build is done is there any chance of hannah and fritzi popping round here to sort out my 410s...?
on a more practical note, i have a bunch of photos of the 410 in the RAF museum cosford, i took them because i have 3 70's era revell 410 kits in my stash, but only one half started (it needed a heck of a re-scribe on those raised panel lines!) if you like i could get them up on photobucket.
and when your build is done is there any chance of hannah and fritzi popping round here to sort out my 410s...?
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 01:24 AM UTC
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and when your build is done is there any chance of hannah and fritzi popping round here to sort out my 410s...?
sorry phil i've booked them to come and fly my fokker dr.1's........you'll have to wait a while
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should have known there'd be a waiting list!
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 02:46 PM UTC
I was a bit tight on time this weekend- I'd sent the girls home on leave. Hope you understand, friends!
Pfennig steps up to the plate to bring you this update as only he can- enjoy!
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Posted: Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 02:58 PM UTC
Do you realise what you've done Chuk? I cannot start my week now without searching for the next installment. I'm hooked you evil man. Send the girls down under, I think I need some disciplining !!!
Cheers, D
Cheers, D
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 03:10 PM UTC
Thanks, Damian- I don't think Pfennig will let them get that far away, though. He's such a control freak!
Well, it's been a crazy weekend, but I did manage to get a little done. Here's the mixed bag of achievements, as presented by my helpers- go, Fritzi!
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Well, it's been a crazy weekend, but I did manage to get a little done. Here's the mixed bag of achievements, as presented by my helpers- go, Fritzi!
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Posted: Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 04:52 PM UTC
The little tips and tricks you show all through the builds are a great reference. Of course, it all seems so simple when you do it. Thanks for keeping us entertained.
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Posted: Monday, November 23, 2009 - 06:34 PM UTC
Chuk,
Did you use Tamiya silver on the engine bay pipes? In the past I've found that the Tamiya silver/metallics are a bit "flaky" with silver bits. Nowaday for brushed on silver and such I use Floquil Bright and Old Silver.
Looking good and waiting for more.
Now that it's winter in the States will there be a "Snow Bunny" edition with the girls? Bikinis and snow seem like a natural for them.
Did you use Tamiya silver on the engine bay pipes? In the past I've found that the Tamiya silver/metallics are a bit "flaky" with silver bits. Nowaday for brushed on silver and such I use Floquil Bright and Old Silver.
Looking good and waiting for more.
Now that it's winter in the States will there be a "Snow Bunny" edition with the girls? Bikinis and snow seem like a natural for them.
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Posted: Sunday, November 29, 2009 - 02:50 PM UTC
Thanks, Russ!
Joe, I find that silver detail painting is really for rare circumstances, like oleo struts. the rest of the time metal tends to oxidize and lose the metallic sheen that "silver" paint has. It's more gray and weathered, and the bright metal effect, whatever the paint quality, looks fake to my jaundiced eye. For those oleos and bits I prefer a nice bottle of Polly S Bright Silver from the Goode Olde Days. Cheers!
I had a great Thanksgiving holiday with family, and drew the base sketch for this sitting at the kitchen table, chillin'. More modeling for next time- enjoy!
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Joe, I find that silver detail painting is really for rare circumstances, like oleo struts. the rest of the time metal tends to oxidize and lose the metallic sheen that "silver" paint has. It's more gray and weathered, and the bright metal effect, whatever the paint quality, looks fake to my jaundiced eye. For those oleos and bits I prefer a nice bottle of Polly S Bright Silver from the Goode Olde Days. Cheers!
I had a great Thanksgiving holiday with family, and drew the base sketch for this sitting at the kitchen table, chillin'. More modeling for next time- enjoy!
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