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1:16 Hasagawa Sopwith Camel.
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Posted: Friday, December 27, 2013 - 03:45 AM UTC
I think that the kids viewing this would really like the stealth technology tie in.What a genius Fokker was,unbelievable!
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Posted: Friday, December 27, 2013 - 03:52 AM UTC
John, very interesting. Sounds like early 1900's Star Wars.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, December 27, 2013 - 11:26 AM UTC

Cellon covering.
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 05:10 AM UTC

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John, certainly a novel idea about converting it to a captured aircraft, but somehow it just doesn't seem right. It's like a baseball player that played for more then one team, makes the Hall of Fame, and elects to go in with the team that he spent the least amount of time with, rather then the team where he was most known for.

Of course that's just my two cents worth.

Joel

Hi Joel ! normally I would agree with you but my intention is to build the Camel in a straightforward way and after it is built I will modify it for my own purposes.The wings will become Eeindecker wings covered in Cellar material.The RAF markings on the tail will be left as is and mounted on the wall as a trophy.The engine will be displayed separately and most of the other parts will be used as furnishings in the hangar.The bare fuselage I may put up in the rafters as a captured airplane that was also used for spying on RAF technology in the past.
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:58 AM UTC
Now that the veneering and plastic- to -wood experiments are over ,I feel that I should put this build aside for now and work on something a little more challenging.I can complete the rest fairly rapidly with no big surprises.The
Fokker Dr.I however is another story and I have no idea how long it will take to complete.The written review will also slow things down a bit, as I want to account for any deviations from the script. I hope to have the diorama done by July next year for their WW1 display.
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 03:06 AM UTC
John, The Cellon covering does look completely transparent.

Looking forward to your next update. I'll leave the ideas and theories to your diorama to you. After all, it's the finished results that count, and as long as it conveys the story line to the viewer, you've succeeded 100%.

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Posted: Monday, January 06, 2014 - 12:45 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, January 06, 2014 - 01:47 AM UTC
John, really looks amazing. You just can't tell that the plastic isn't wood. Color is jus perfect.
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Posted: Monday, January 06, 2014 - 04:45 AM UTC
Joel,it was a lot of tedious work preparing the surfaces but I like the result too ,and it hasn't even been weathered yet with pastels..I hope that the manufactures take the colored plastic idea in account for any future models.Years ago the early models came in colored plastic ,I think that it is an idea worth reviving.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 - 02:50 AM UTC
Anyone following my other thread knows that I have found a new mission for the Camel more befitting of it's status.It will now become a Camel in German colors.The wings however will be off and stacked against the L/H wall as there is just no room in the diorama for another airplane.
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Posted: Friday, January 10, 2014 - 12:45 AM UTC
I have pretty much decided on the final Fokker/trailer composition so I will put it aside for now and figure how much of the Camel do I want to build.
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Posted: Saturday, January 11, 2014 - 12:54 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 12:46 AM UTC
This is an exceptionally nice kit.I can't wait to see what other modelers, especially those who are experts in working with plastics and fine painting, can come up with.There are just so many possible options for creative model building ,I wish that I only had the time to do it properly.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 12:59 AM UTC

I like this paint job as it is not too distracting for the eye,the engine cowl could be red or black.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:06 AM UTC

The storyline also fits in well as this was a survivable accident and the airplane could of ended up in German colors.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:22 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:32 AM UTC

The fitting of the firewall is much better than shown, this is only a temporary placement.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:35 AM UTC
John, I concur on your paint scheme decision. Interesting, but not too busy by any means. It really is a shame that so much of the details of the interior won't be visible once the cowlings are glued in place. Unlike a more traditional displayed model where one can look into the cockpit, that option isn't available in a box diorama. But a box diorama isn't just about the model and it's associated details, it's about a story line. Interior details really aren't part of that story. As I recall, you decided to add the details even though you knew that they wouldn't be seen very early on.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 02:04 AM UTC

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John, I concur on your paint scheme decision. Interesting, but not too busy by any means. It really is a shame that so much of the details of the interior won't be visible once the cowlings are glued in place. Unlike a more traditional displayed model where one can look into the cockpit, that option isn't available in a box diorama. But a box diorama isn't just about the model and it's associated details, it's about a story line. Interior details really aren't part of that story. As I recall, you decided to add the details even though you knew that they wouldn't be seen very early on.
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I will leave the nice detailing to the experts.Some details I added and some I didn't depending upon whether they were part of the basic structure or not.This would make a great model as a learning tool for kids to see how one of these old aircraft were put together.In the right hands this kit could really become a museum piece.I could see it on a slowly turning base and with the proper lighting,it would be a real show stopper !
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 01:12 AM UTC
Removed by original poster on 01/14/14 - 13:22:01 (GMT).
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 01:22 AM UTC

In the two pics above the cowlings color remained
the same but the lighting changed it dramatically.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 02:08 AM UTC
John, It is an amazing kit. The frame looks so much like wood it's scary. Is the cowling sections the kit Aluminum plating?

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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 05:33 AM UTC

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John, It is an amazing kit. The frame looks so much like wood it's scary. Is the cowling sections the kit Aluminum plating?

Joel

I removed the original paint from the engine cowlings and replaced it with silver acrylic with a touch of black gesso in it.I found that the finish that came with the kit too bright and distracting for the viewers eye.
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