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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2014 - 04:58 AM UTC
Gotcha beat I am 73 ! LED's this time for sure.
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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2014 - 05:36 AM UTC

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Gotcha beat I am 73 ! LED's this time for sure.


John, I'm impressed.
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Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2014 - 03:25 AM UTC

....or how about a sand truck or staff car for the pilots?
I will be adding a little height to the building for headroom purposes.

Joel ,there is a PM waiting for you.
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 01:42 PM UTC

I kinda like the Camel tucked in under the first floor ceiling.Instead of increasing the height ,I lowered the ceiling.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 01:42 AM UTC
John,
While I agree that the 2nd floor adds to the scene, the building itself is really getting quite large, taking on a "life" of it's own, and offering too much for the viewer to take in. Seeing that figure taped to the 2nd floor and just how high it is from the base started me thinking of perhaps a more selective use for the 2nd floor, like a storage loft where it could be more like a crawl way. They exist because our attic is exactly that.

I would think that you would want the viewers attention primarily focused on the ground floor, and just have their eyes drift around the rest of the building taking in small, less important details.

Just saw your pm. I don't always look at the upper right hand corner to see them.

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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 03:03 AM UTC
I know what you are saying Joel but it is basically a trade off. It is too much for the average adult viewer with some aviation knowledge, but these are primary for kids,so the more visual stuff the better.The feedback that I get back from the museum confirms this for me, plus the monetary appraisal I get from my appraisers(Shep Paine and Ken Hamilton) is really based upon content and not so much on the storyline, which probably the young kids don't get anyway.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 04:20 AM UTC

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I know what you are saying Joel but it is basically a trade off. It is too much for the average adult viewer with some aviation knowledge, but these are primary for kids,so the more visual stuff the better.The feedback that I get back from the museum confirms this for me, plus the monetary appraisal I get from my appraisers(Shep Paine and Ken Hamilton) is really based upon content and not so much on the storyline, which probably the young kids don't get anyway.


John,
I see.

Somehow I see your displays being viewed by as many if not more adults then children. And hopefully some of those adults have at least a little modeling experience, so that they can appreciate the work and effort that went into creating those dioramas.

BTW, back in the mid 70's when I was very active in IPMS and went to one or two regionals each year, there was a woman who did the most amazing black box dioramas. Everyone just marveled at those scenes. Not all were aviation or military in nature, but since figures was an acceptable modeling medium, her work always took home their fair share of plaques and trophies.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 05:16 AM UTC
I walked by the box awhile ago and I thought about making it a two-sided box diorama by opening up the roof at the rear over where the future modelers shop will be.It will mean more modeling of course but would also be a unique perspective into the box from two angles.my other boxed diorama is displayed in- the- round , not built into a wall so all this would mean would be a second hole in the box.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 06:46 AM UTC

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I walked by the box awhile ago and I thought about making it a two-sided box diorama by opening up the roof at the rear over where the future modelers shop will be.It will mean more modeling of course but would also be a unique perspective into the box from two angles.my other boxed diorama is displayed in- the- round and not built into a wall and all this would mean would be a second hole in the box.


John, a 2nd hole in the black box would cause the viewer to be able to look right through it, and even if they can't the directional lighting is just lost as the other opening will let in literally uncontrolled light.
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 07:30 AM UTC
You are right Joel,I think that I better cut up some foam board and play around with it a bit before committing to this.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 - 04:24 AM UTC
I once worked for Sikorksy Aircraft back in the late sixties I happened to be in their drafting class (ink on paper/mylar). This was in their OLD Engineering Building, and being a youth of 19 I would explore the building at lunch. One time opening a door to a loft; climbing the stairs and finding myself among models of strange and fantastic shapes.

These were dusty wind tunnel and flying boat hull models from the 1930s through the 1950s. Ideas that flew and that never saw metal. Fantastic!

Your loft idea is Excellent. At this stage of the war, Junkers and Fokker were working together. Or if this is a government facility any model could be up there.

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Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 11:43 AM UTC

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I walked by the box awhile ago and I thought about making it a two-sided box diorama by opening up the roof at the rear over where the future modelers shop will be.It will mean more modeling of course but would also be a unique perspective into the box from two angles.my other boxed diorama is displayed in- the- round and not built into a wall and all this would mean would be a second hole in the box.


John, a 2nd hole in the black box would cause the viewer to be able to look right through it, and even if they can't the directional lighting is just lost as the other opening will let in literally uncontrolled light.
Joel

Well I fooled around with it a bit and the natural light from above does not effect the wind tunnel scene on the lower level.With the lights in the wind tunnel on bright ,it still is the focal point when approaching the diorama from the front.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 09:46 AM UTC
John, it looks so real, it's scary.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 09:52 AM UTC
Thanks Joel ! I really enjoy taking pics maybe more than the actual building but ya can't have one without the other.
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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 10:28 AM UTC
John, I know what exactly what you mean. I'm shooting my pictures with a Nikon D90. Talk about overkill.
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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 - 12:45 AM UTC
Good morning Joel and all you lurkers out there. .

Joel my camera equipment is very rudimentary ,a Cannon digital set on auto(as the airline pilots say "Let Otto do it"),a 60W bulb(better stock up on these while you can)and a little imagination and of course lots of love for the subject matter.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 12:08 AM UTC
John,
Only one bulb? I would think that you're using a min of two. One for main light, and one for fill, that also controls the shadows.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 02:07 AM UTC
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink... I bekieve the second light is a nearby large Celestial Orb,...
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Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 - 02:39 AM UTC
Actually guys it is all over the map,sometimes I use a single incandescent 60W bulb only,sometimes a combo of incandescent and florescent or florescent alone.I just experiment and move the lights around to create shadows.I will take some pics to show you just how simple it is.I am planning to take some natural light pics if the weather ever warms up here in the GWN.
Don't forget "let Otto do it."
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