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zoomie50
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Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 09:49 PM UTC
How bout the Dewoitine 510

Jerry
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Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 10:58 PM UTC
Yes Zoomie50 you've got... half the problem solved!
It was the Dewoitine D 510!

Now you can concentrate on the second part of the question:
why were the british experts VERY disapointed when they first examinated the airframe?

Some hints:
- It was not because of the overall performance of the plane wich was almost obsolete at this time!
- The RAF only ordered ONE plane and had no intention of ordening more! (The Spitfire prototype already flew at that time)

So what was the problem?

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 01:21 AM UTC
Just guessing. Maybe it's the fixed landing gear that made it outdated.


David
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 02:40 AM UTC
Despite its poor performances (the D510 was hoplessly outclassed by it's opponents at the 1937 Zürich meeting) the plane had one technical aspect wich was of interest for the british military engineers.

They wanted to look at the airplane only for this technology! What was it?

Sorry, it was not the fixed landing gear!

Think of something else!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 04:00 AM UTC
Is it the open canopy?



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David
TedMamere
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 04:37 AM UTC
No David, not the open canopy...
It was something that would have IMPROVED their planes... not the contrary!

Watch the icon >>>>>>

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 04:43 AM UTC
I guess one Oerlikon 20mm and two 7.5mm is not enough. I wonder if they wanted eight .30 cals. :-)


Cheers,
David.
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 05:02 AM UTC
Would it be because the 510 was one of the first fighters to use the 20mm Hispano Suiza cannon firing through the propellor hub?
TedMamere
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 05:25 AM UTC
That's it Brandydoguk!

I guess only an Englishmen could find the answer!

Here's the whole story:

The RAF wanted to take a close look at the french "moteur-canon" and ordered one plane. The aircraft was delivered at the Aeroplane and Armament Experimental establishment on August 21th 1936. But when the experts examined the motor, they saw the D510 was unarmed! Damned! Bloody Frenchmen!
In fact, the guys at the Air Ministry simply forgot to order the armament with the plane! The only british D510 remained unarmed...

Bravo Brandydoguk! It's now your turn!

Jean-Luc

P.S. Could someone tell me how to add a picture in my messages? Thanks!
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 06:03 AM UTC
TedMamere - Think if you click on the "Button" marked "Image Help" at the top right of the Forum Banner most of your questions regarding image handling should be answered.
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 06:28 AM UTC
Thanks CRS

Jean-LucC[ ]
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 06:59 AM UTC
What aircraft type was used to portray the Bf 109E fighters in the 1968 movie "Battle of Britain"?
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:08 AM UTC
Hispano HA-1112 ?
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:13 AM UTC
HA-1109-J1L

cheers

Philip
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:41 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hispano HA-1112 ?


Chuck got it first, also named "Buchon".

CRS
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:45 AM UTC
Really not fair, I guess, as I see one of the planes from the movie every month when I go to PoF.

Well here's an easy one : Who was the 81st person to fly across the Atlantic non-stop and why are they Famous ?

Not an Aircraft question but Aviation History.
CRS
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:53 AM UTC
Sorry , Nope, try again. They are FAMOUS ! And you will get a kick out of this one I did.
TedMamere
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 07:58 AM UTC
Was it Amelia Earhart?

She was the first woman but flew as a passenger...
CRS
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:07 AM UTC
You got it Tom
He was the first to do it SOLO
Alcock and Brown flew it together,
An Airship (can't spell Zepplin) with 78 passengers and crew were next,
then his Historic Flight.

Well done.
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:22 AM UTC
Is it the Model 322 Lightning I?

No Turbosuperchargers and high altitude performance was poor.

Cheers,
David