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TedMamere
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:23 AM UTC
I guess it was the P-38 without counter-rotating propellers...
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:32 AM UTC
... and no Turbocharger for the engines!

The plane was demanded during operation overlord because of it's appearance! No german plane nearly looked like the P-38. So no mistake was possible with friendly fire (and there was a lot at that time!)

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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:33 AM UTC

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I guess it was the P-38 without counter-rotating propellers...



verrrrrrrrrry close

You're one step ahead of defcon, since you realized it was a 2-parter.

Hint for the second part:

This feature was essential for high-altitude performance.

Tom



Was it the lack of turbosupercharger? Didn't I get the correct name for RAF P-38s?
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:36 AM UTC
P-51, initally both the number of guns and powerplant were at issue, Allison engine had poor high altitude performance, ergo MERLIN powered Mustangs.
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:41 AM UTC

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P-51, initally both the number of guns and powerplant were at issue, Allison engine had poor high altitude performance, ego MERLIN powered Mustangs.



Mustang I's was still accepted by the RAF even with poor high altitude performance but Model 322 Lightning I's was cancelled.

Cheers,
David
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:48 AM UTC
As I already asked a question not long ago, maybe defcon1 could continue with the trivia
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:49 AM UTC

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Sorry CRS:

Def and Ted both already figured this one out!



Well as a MODERATOR, I could have deleted their posts and tried again. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Posted: Monday, May 16, 2005 - 08:52 AM UTC

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Sorry CRS:

Def and Ted both already figured this one out!

Your aircraft designation was indeed correct, def, but since it was generally known as the P-38 (initially the YP-38) and ted (Jean-Luc) baaaaaaaaarely beat you to the punch, it looks like he gets the next go, unless he chooses to defer.

Tom



Hi Tom,

That's not fair. I got the correct name and Ted got the correct reason why it has poor high altitude performance. I think we both have half credit. It should be a tie. You should ask another question. Just my opinion.

Cheers,
David.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 03:40 AM UTC
Hello,

It seems to have been the Spad XII with a 37 mm cannon... and both Georges Guynemer and René Fonk achieved a few victories with it during WWI

Jean-Luc

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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 03:55 AM UTC
If you want to learn more about the first "moteur-canon", try this:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/france/spad_xii.html

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 07:23 AM UTC
Hey Tim Toylar! My name is Jean-Luc not Jean-Loc! :-)

Ok, here is the next one:

During the last month of World War II, the germans worked on many "Zecret Weaponz" to win the war. Fortunatly no one really worked.
Among these weapons were various aircrafts. One of them really was a "Frankenstein" plane!

The questions are:
1 - What is the name of this aircraft?
2 - Why can it be called "Frankenstein" plane?

Jean-Luuuuuuuc...
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 08:13 AM UTC
Hi there

As Tom says, the Germans were past masters at building on existing designs, but I wonder if you mean the Ju 287?

The first prototype was build from a converted He 177 fuselage, with a fin and rudder from a Ju 188, plus a fixed landing gear made from B-24 components. That sounds suitably "Frankenstein-ish". But in a way, it did work - because the Soviets continued the development after the War.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 08:19 AM UTC
John Luck is good, sounds american

The planes you named were not the right answer Tom, altough you were not far away!

The "Frankenstein" (unofficial name of course) indeed was a "mix" of various planes!!! It first flew august 16th 1944...

Bravo Rowan! A ton tour! (your turn)

John Lu... aaaarr Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 08:20 AM UTC
The Ju 287 is the right answer!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 08:35 AM UTC
C'est a moi encore?

Sorry for the bad French Jean Luc! - I'll go and try to find a question.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 08:40 AM UTC
Sorry but you misunderstood me Tom! as I said "Fortunatly no one really worked" I meant the "Zecret Weaponz" not the Ju 287 "Frankenstein"

By the way, your French is good! How about an entire question in the "langue de Molière"?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 09:00 AM UTC
Ah non! Ca serait trop dificile!

Right, that's quite enough digging back into high-school French - well, if you want a question before midnight anyway! OK - this is really from memory (ALWAYS a bad idea!).

After the "Dambuster" raids, a "30 year" ban was placed on the release of any detailed information about the "bouncing bomb" technology. When did the first accurate plans of the bomb appear? - I'm not worried about the precise date...
TedMamere
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Posted: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 09:23 AM UTC
I found this:

The patent for the bomb was filed in August 1942 which was supplemented by a second filing in July 1943. It was not published until September 1963 as GB937959

Is this the right date Rowan?

Joh.. Jean-Luc