Hello Steffen,
you are right; i have checked Rodeike. The main difference will be the arour windshield.
btw i missed you on our modelexhibition here in Hannover.
greets Thomas
maybe we can see us in Kassel on the DPMV Convention. Will be there on sunday.
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romeo100
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 05:37 AM UTC
alpha_tango
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 05:57 AM UTC
Hi Thomas
Well, I live near Karlsruhe ... would be a bit far for just an exhibition. I will also not visit the Konvent .. Hartz IV and long range travel do not fit very well .... wonder what I got my Dipl. WInf for ... but we're getting too much OT here I think
all the best
Steffen
Well, I live near Karlsruhe ... would be a bit far for just an exhibition. I will also not visit the Konvent .. Hartz IV and long range travel do not fit very well .... wonder what I got my Dipl. WInf for ... but we're getting too much OT here I think
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 06:50 AM UTC
OK Steffen,
your right. Back to the workbench LOL
greets Thomas
your right. Back to the workbench LOL
greets Thomas
cinzano
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 09:09 AM UTC
Karlsruhe?!
Cool.
I've spent a lot of time in Karlsruhe and Freiburg over the years. SW Germany is far and away my favorite Gegend.
Do you ever get to the technical museum in Speier?
Cheers,
Fred
Cool.
I've spent a lot of time in Karlsruhe and Freiburg over the years. SW Germany is far and away my favorite Gegend.
Do you ever get to the technical museum in Speier?
Cheers,
Fred
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 09:23 AM UTC
Hi Frederick
Well, I have never been in Speyer, but I was in Sinsheim and AFAIK this is very similar. IMO this is not a museum, but some kind of "technical Disneyland" I was very disappointed. Though it was cool to climb the Tu 144 and Concorde. I had much more fun visiting the small (compared) collection in Hannover Laatzen.
Being a Mecklenburger I am more fond of northern Gemany ... it was nice in Munich and I also like it here, but home is home.
cheers
Steffen
Well, I have never been in Speyer, but I was in Sinsheim and AFAIK this is very similar. IMO this is not a museum, but some kind of "technical Disneyland" I was very disappointed. Though it was cool to climb the Tu 144 and Concorde. I had much more fun visiting the small (compared) collection in Hannover Laatzen.
Being a Mecklenburger I am more fond of northern Gemany ... it was nice in Munich and I also like it here, but home is home.
cheers
Steffen
cinzano
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 11:58 AM UTC
True Steffan.
Home is home. I've only been North a few times and only to Hamburg. I mention Speyer because it apparently has a couple of very nice aircraft examples including an FW-190A and a JU-88.
Cheers,
Fred
Home is home. I've only been North a few times and only to Hamburg. I mention Speyer because it apparently has a couple of very nice aircraft examples including an FW-190A and a JU-88.
Cheers,
Fred
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Posted: Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 08:39 PM UTC
Hi Fred
Well, they have not!! At the moment the only thing near to a Fw 190 in Germany is in Hannover on display (Flugwerk copy with some original parts) The Luftwaffenmusem will hopefully finish the two Fw 190 restoration/rebuilding projects one day; a Fw 190 D-9 R11 from Lake Schwerin and a Fw 190 A-8 (will probably get Sturmjäger equipment).
The only Ju88 in Germany will be in the Deutsche Technikmuseum Berlin, a G-1 (IIRC) from Lake Balaton currently under restoration in Hungary. They already have a nice 109, 110 and much (!!!) other stuff. Tthis museum is really interesting though the newly built exhibition building is not very well suited for aircraft display ... maybe they will move the aircraft stuff to Tempelhof ... they also have a Fw 200 C-3 under restoration .. sadly it will get Civil Lufthansa markings and not the original camo when it force landed offshore Norway.
As I wrote when you have at least a bit of historical knowledge the Speyer/Sinsheim stuff just hurts .... still it is probably good entertainment for most visitors.
all the best
Steffen
Well, they have not!! At the moment the only thing near to a Fw 190 in Germany is in Hannover on display (Flugwerk copy with some original parts) The Luftwaffenmusem will hopefully finish the two Fw 190 restoration/rebuilding projects one day; a Fw 190 D-9 R11 from Lake Schwerin and a Fw 190 A-8 (will probably get Sturmjäger equipment).
The only Ju88 in Germany will be in the Deutsche Technikmuseum Berlin, a G-1 (IIRC) from Lake Balaton currently under restoration in Hungary. They already have a nice 109, 110 and much (!!!) other stuff. Tthis museum is really interesting though the newly built exhibition building is not very well suited for aircraft display ... maybe they will move the aircraft stuff to Tempelhof ... they also have a Fw 200 C-3 under restoration .. sadly it will get Civil Lufthansa markings and not the original camo when it force landed offshore Norway.
As I wrote when you have at least a bit of historical knowledge the Speyer/Sinsheim stuff just hurts .... still it is probably good entertainment for most visitors.
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 12:18 AM UTC
O.k. back on Topic
I did a little work on my Fw 190 F-8 (Tamiya). Yesterday i added all the small stencils that you do not really see, but would miss if they were not on the model. then today i gave it another Klear coat. I added the cooling fan + prop assembly and the u/c covers. the wheels are from CMK .. a bit slim and still slightly too small in diameter for my taste, but waay better that the Tamiya stuff :
I will probably add a wash later today
all the best
Steffen
I did a little work on my Fw 190 F-8 (Tamiya). Yesterday i added all the small stencils that you do not really see, but would miss if they were not on the model. then today i gave it another Klear coat. I added the cooling fan + prop assembly and the u/c covers. the wheels are from CMK .. a bit slim and still slightly too small in diameter for my taste, but waay better that the Tamiya stuff :
I will probably add a wash later today
all the best
Steffen
alpha_tango
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 04:13 AM UTC
And here we go
just finished the washing session .. not much to tell about, but the model finally starts looking good .. at least in my opinion:
all the best
Steffen
just finished the washing session .. not much to tell about, but the model finally starts looking good .. at least in my opinion:
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 08:03 AM UTC
Very nice! 
I like the scuffing and wear on the winter wash. Don't forget to add some slight gun powder stains coming from the shell ejector chutes.
I've been slowly working on my 1:72 scale A8, yesterday I applied the appropriate decals to the props and cockpit. The Eaglecal decals performed very well. Some of the best I've used.
But somehow I managed to mess up with the spinner spiral. I just couldn't get it positioned correctly (at least how I thought it should go on, the instructions show only the left side), the excess carrier film wrinkled up as I struggled with it. Finally I broke it from the top. I tried again using the most similar spiral from another decal option but succeeded only in getting myself quite pissed off.
Any ideas? Either for painting the spiral, decal, or masking solutions. Left-over decals would also be most welcome, if someone happens to have such lying around.
What do you think? Could the sheet have been designed to fit another kit with differently shaped spinner? The sheet is from 1998 so at least the Revell/Monogram kit was around by then...
Now I should just go, sit down, and finish the cockpit, so I could start worrying other things.
..Like scratching the instrument panel coaming.
Oh, one more thing. What's your favorite / best working method for painting styrene instrument panels? The panel in the kit has great detail but I'm not quite sure how to make the best of it. Drybrushing the dial details white would be easy, but then I'd be facing some touching-up after the inevitable 'over-brushing'.
Would I work to paint the whole gauges white, then run several black washes to blacken the backgrounds?
I like the scuffing and wear on the winter wash. Don't forget to add some slight gun powder stains coming from the shell ejector chutes.
I've been slowly working on my 1:72 scale A8, yesterday I applied the appropriate decals to the props and cockpit. The Eaglecal decals performed very well. Some of the best I've used.
But somehow I managed to mess up with the spinner spiral. I just couldn't get it positioned correctly (at least how I thought it should go on, the instructions show only the left side), the excess carrier film wrinkled up as I struggled with it. Finally I broke it from the top. I tried again using the most similar spiral from another decal option but succeeded only in getting myself quite pissed off.
Any ideas? Either for painting the spiral, decal, or masking solutions. Left-over decals would also be most welcome, if someone happens to have such lying around.
What do you think? Could the sheet have been designed to fit another kit with differently shaped spinner? The sheet is from 1998 so at least the Revell/Monogram kit was around by then...
Now I should just go, sit down, and finish the cockpit, so I could start worrying other things.
..Like scratching the instrument panel coaming.
Oh, one more thing. What's your favorite / best working method for painting styrene instrument panels? The panel in the kit has great detail but I'm not quite sure how to make the best of it. Drybrushing the dial details white would be easy, but then I'd be facing some touching-up after the inevitable 'over-brushing'.
Would I work to paint the whole gauges white, then run several black washes to blacken the backgrounds?
alpha_tango
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Posted: Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 08:38 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Very nice!
I like the scuffing and wear on the winter wash. Don't forget to add some slight gun powder stains coming from the shell ejector chutes.
Many thanks, Eetu!!
Actually I do not believe in this "gun powder stains"! I also do not like the dirty muzzle areas some people like to add. This is just not real in my opinion, but I like to learn .. if you can proove such stuff (pictures) I will add it to the model.
Sadly I cannot help with your small scale problems
all the best
Steffen
thegirl
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 02:29 AM UTC
Looking really good so far Steffen , far better then what I could do . Cheers to you
I was able to get my friend to mail me back the kit I was working on for this campaign and from Steffens help on info I need . I will start building again . Pic's will be up in a few days for things are at the painting stage for now .
There is some really great builds turn out here !
I was able to get my friend to mail me back the kit I was working on for this campaign and from Steffens help on info I need . I will start building again . Pic's will be up in a few days for things are at the painting stage for now .
There is some really great builds turn out here !
atoplu
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 08:51 AM UTC
Steffen you are right. RV band is little bit broad. 
But it s just a fun model for me.
Tony, always come to my mottle school.
Model completed. Thanks to all.
But it s just a fun model for me. Tony, always come to my mottle school.
Model completed. Thanks to all.
AirLedge
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:34 PM UTC
Hi all,
Great wurgers Ayhan and Steffan!
@ Tony: Thanks Tony. The airbrush I use is here
Some progrss shots of my Dora. Undercarriage in place and some weathering, a coat of Future, decals and a wash to follow soon ...
Thanks,
Mike
Great wurgers Ayhan and Steffan!
@ Tony: Thanks Tony. The airbrush I use is here
Some progrss shots of my Dora. Undercarriage in place and some weathering, a coat of Future, decals and a wash to follow soon ...
Thanks,
Mike
jaypee
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Posted: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 11:15 PM UTC
Brilliant Mike. Hopefully once these builders stop creating dust I'll be able to get the airbrush out again.
It is a cracking scheme that has a bit of everything.
One question though. Why apply decals after the weathering and paint chipping? Should it not
be the other around. Do you have the squadron walkaround it has some photos and colour profiles of Red 1.
It is parked in the mud and looks really dirty.
It is a cracking scheme that has a bit of everything.
One question though. Why apply decals after the weathering and paint chipping? Should it not
be the other around. Do you have the squadron walkaround it has some photos and colour profiles of Red 1.
It is parked in the mud and looks really dirty.
SGTJKJ
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 01:58 AM UTC
Ayhan, Great Wurger. It looks great despite the wide RV band. Excellent finish.
Great progress, Steffen. It looks very good.
Interesting comment about the dirty machine guns and ammo chute openings. This is also a big discussion with tanks. Should there or should there not be gun powder stains on the muzzle of the gun. I do not dare to judge and some times add it, some times not.
Looks good, Mike. I look forward to see it with markings and "graffiti" on the side of the cockpit.
Great progress, Steffen. It looks very good.
Interesting comment about the dirty machine guns and ammo chute openings. This is also a big discussion with tanks. Should there or should there not be gun powder stains on the muzzle of the gun. I do not dare to judge and some times add it, some times not.
Looks good, Mike. I look forward to see it with markings and "graffiti" on the side of the cockpit.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 06:06 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Ayhan, Great Wurger. It looks great despite the wide RV band. Excellent finish.
I second that. Just great work, as usual from you.
Quoted Text
Interesting comment about the dirty machine guns and ammo chute openings. This is also a big discussion with tanks. Should there or should there not be gun powder stains on the muzzle of the gun. I do not dare to judge and some times add it, some times not.
To some extent, isn't this a realistic versus artistic approach thing?
I think I'm a little bit both. I don't do completely blackened barrel muzzles, but like to do (more or less...) subtle shell ejection chute and exhaust stains etc.
And let's not forget panel lines either.
Btw, that spinner spiral problem of mine just got solved!
After a while, I decided to check my decal collection, and guess what, there was a spinner spiral.
On the very decal sheet that came with the kit there was a spiral... And it fit!
Of course it's not exactly same as the one that was on the Eagle Cal sheet, but it's a spiral of similar thickness and shape and that's close enough for me now.
alpha_tango
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 07:15 AM UTC
Quoted Text
To some extent, isn't this a realistic versus artistic approach thing?
I think I'm a little bit both. I don't do completely blackened barrel muzzles, but like to do (more or less...) subtle shell ejection chute and exhaust stains etc.
And let's not forget panel lines either.
Hi Eetu
I agree it is somehow artistic license.
Just a few words to explain my approach: I like to emphasize panel lines to have a structured surface. In my opinion a structurless surface looks more toylike ... but this is surely debatable.
I am no expert on ammunition and guns, but I am sure that by WW2 the propelling charge did no longer leave such heavy stains as some modellers like to think. Also IIRC (and I might well be wrong here) the MG 151/20 spent shells were collected and only the links of the fragmentation belt were thrown out ...
As for tanks: the amount of propellant was much larger here and thus the chance of some left overs is higher (IMO). But I would rather think that the heat will leave some staining at the muzzle break..
@Ayhan: Very nice model, as always!! ... and as I often write suum cuique. The hobby is about fun and if YOU are happy is all that counts!
@MIke: cool model! .. looking forward to the finished model!
happy modelling!
Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 08:39 AM UTC
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I am no expert on ammunition and guns, but I am sure that by WW2 the propelling charge did no longer leave such heavy stains as some modellers like to think. Also IIRC (and I might well be wrong here) the MG 151/20 spent shells were collected and only the links of the fragmentation belt were thrown out ...
I'm no expert either on the subject, but the shape and size of the wing cannon shell ejection chutes suggests that both the shells and belt links were discarded (well, at least the shells...). There's room for the fuselage machine gun shell containers, but not much for the wing cannons. And even though the wing root cannons feed from containers in the wing, there's not much room in the fuselage under the cockpit. (and isn't that space already occupied by all kinds of wiring and cables?)
Quoted Text
As for tanks: the amount of propellant was much larger here and thus the chance of some left overs is higher (IMO). But I would rather think that the heat will leave some staining at the muzzle break..
Certainly, heat discoloration is likely to happen in continous firing and especially in wartime, when they're could have been periods when time only permitted rudimentary maintenance and clean-up.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 07:58 PM UTC
hi Eetu
The wing mounted (outboard) MG 151 definitely did not threw out the shells but just the belt links ... but I did not find info on the inboard guns yet. ... maybe have to get Tony Williams book "Flying Guns: World War II" to solve the problem.
The wing root guns are fed by ammo containers in the fuselage (it is a D-9 but there is not much difference):
all the best
Steffen
The wing mounted (outboard) MG 151 definitely did not threw out the shells but just the belt links ... but I did not find info on the inboard guns yet. ... maybe have to get Tony Williams book "Flying Guns: World War II" to solve the problem.
The wing root guns are fed by ammo containers in the fuselage (it is a D-9 but there is not much difference):
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 11:29 PM UTC
Quoted Text
one remark though: Both Rüstsätze R2 and R8 Sturmjäger have 30mm (outer) wing armament!
I bet Neil can go into much more detail on this.
..you are too kind Steffen! ..and thats a lovely scheme & finish you have there too....(BTW Hubert found his way over to us at http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org and had his questions answered there)
I should be doing less chatting, less browsing and getting on with my Würger..but at this rate it's not gonna happen..
..& as they've finished, congratulations to Andrew & Ayhan on some fantastic work...(usual culprits!)
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 12:56 AM UTC
Quoted Text
hi Eetu
The wing mounted (outboard) MG 151 definitely did not threw out the shells but just the belt links ... but I did not find info on the inboard guns yet. ... maybe have to get Tony Williams book "Flying Guns: World War II" to solve the problem.
The wing root guns are fed by ammo containers in the fuselage (it is a D-9 but there is not much difference):
all the best
Steffen
Oh, the wing root cannons did fed from containers in the fuselage afterall, by bad. Seeing that pic now, I know I have seen that before.
I guess you're right on the outer wing cannon ejector chutes. After looking at some photos, it's clear the openings are way too small for 20mm shells to go through. But can't help wondering how they managed to fit containers for the empty shells in the wings; German engineering at it's finest, I guess.
Speaking of the inboard chutes, IPMS stockholm had a couple of nice walk-arounds (1, 2) showing the outboard cannon chutes. Interestingly, the wing root cannon chutes don't seem to be there, while most (if not all) kits I've seen have them. Could that be a feature of some 190s, or just a quirky sample of museum planes?
cinzano
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 01:19 AM UTC
Just can't get enough Wuergers. As I predicted. I'm going to see if I can finish (at least) one more Fw 190 before the end of the campaign. I was generally pleased with the Tamiya A-8, but I'm ready to push a little further this time.
My orange boxed Eduard A-6 just arrived in the mail yesterday and merely opening the box is a real treat. I intend to have this bird opened up (likewise with a parallel build of a BF 109 which I hope to do as a build blog).
This is my first Eduard kit and I'm really blown away at how far kits have come in the last decade and to get all those goodies for a hair under $30 is just amazing. Even at the $40 I've seen it for in stores seems pretty reasonable now that I've gotten to see all its contents.
Since I just located an Aeromaster 'Top Guns' Luftwaffe decal sheet hiding in my stash, the real question is what livery to paint these birds in?
Very eager to get at these new builds!
Cheers,
Fred
My orange boxed Eduard A-6 just arrived in the mail yesterday and merely opening the box is a real treat. I intend to have this bird opened up (likewise with a parallel build of a BF 109 which I hope to do as a build blog).
This is my first Eduard kit and I'm really blown away at how far kits have come in the last decade and to get all those goodies for a hair under $30 is just amazing. Even at the $40 I've seen it for in stores seems pretty reasonable now that I've gotten to see all its contents.
Since I just located an Aeromaster 'Top Guns' Luftwaffe decal sheet hiding in my stash, the real question is what livery to paint these birds in?
Very eager to get at these new builds!
Cheers,
Fred
alpha_tango
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Posted: Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 01:56 AM UTC
Hi Eetu and Fred
@Eetu ... I'd rather think it is a museum quirk ... cannot remember that I have seen a Fw 190 without wing root guns (operational machines). The outboard empty shells were collected between spars 6 and 7 where the structure was strengthend to avoid damage by these.
@Fred: I like the JG 11 machine of Anton Hackl a lot and I will build this when I finally get to build the Eduard kit ... one day.
all the best
Steffen
@Eetu ... I'd rather think it is a museum quirk ... cannot remember that I have seen a Fw 190 without wing root guns (operational machines). The outboard empty shells were collected between spars 6 and 7 where the structure was strengthend to avoid damage by these.
@Fred: I like the JG 11 machine of Anton Hackl a lot and I will build this when I finally get to build the Eduard kit ... one day.
all the best
Steffen
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2009 - 09:23 PM UTC
Hi all
as you can see in this thread I have finished my Tamiya Fw 190 F-8.
Just one pic to keep this short:
all the best
Steffen
as you can see in this thread I have finished my Tamiya Fw 190 F-8.
Just one pic to keep this short:
all the best
Steffen
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