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FW 190 Campaign. It will really be cool!
Yeti123
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 10:32 PM UTC
Warren:
That is a nice looking D! I can't even finish a cockpit in two weeks

Taylor
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 02:45 AM UTC
Thanks Tony , Every day for me is a challenge and I'm looking forward to it .

Gee Warren what type of pills do you take for finishing a kit in weeks ? Very nice looking D indeed ! What paints did you use ?
CaptainA
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 08:07 AM UTC

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Hey there. I just finished my FW-190A and wanted to enter it into this campaign. Can I do this? I have some additional pictures to post and wanted to know if I could do that here? I don't want to duplicate postings! Thanks. Russell



You can enter it into the campaign if you started the build after the January 1st start date.

I am almost finished with my build, and I haven't posted or taken any pictures. I was in the zone and oblivious to everything for the last week. That Eduard 190 is a fantastic kit. I am thinking of doing another one.

I am going to do an update soon. Now that I have re-entered the realm of the non-oblivious. I am seeing some really nice entries into this campaign. It's enough to make a leader proud.
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 08:36 AM UTC
Warren, that was not sneaking up. That was roaring past! She's a nice Dora though. What scale is she?

Terri. Don't leave us completely, y'hear! You don't have to build to stick around.

And by the way. I was hoping for an update a few days ago, but me and my buddy ended up doing very little else than chatting. A new try tomorrow, i hope. I'm in for spraying grey blotches freehand. Wish me luck!

Tony
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 11:55 AM UTC
Luck.
KAYELL
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 09:15 PM UTC
Hi folks

Here is my entryto the campaign.

The Tamiya Fw190 F8 built OOB.Painted with Tamiya paints.
I have enjoyed building this as it was a change from my normal builds, some of the initial WIP's that have been submitted look awesome

alpha_tango
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 10:09 PM UTC
Hi Keith

Nice model!

As you build it for fun it probably does not matter to you, but the "winged 1" belongs to Jagdgeschwader 1 (fighter wing 1) and thus not on a Fw 190 F ... yes they flew ground support missions too, but the wing mounted bombs are only seen on Fw 190 F which got structural enforcement to be able to carry those 100 kg of bombs ....

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 02:07 PM UTC

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Hi Keith

Nice model!

As you build it for fun it probably does not matter to you, but the "winged 1" belongs to Jagdgeschwader 1 (fighter wing 1) and thus not on a Fw 190 F ... yes they flew ground support missions too, but the wing mounted bombs are only seen on Fw 190 F which got structural enforcement to be able to carry those 100 kg of bombs ....

all the best

Steffen



Steffen, good catch, but I am surprised you didn't mention the ailerons. Looks great Keith.
rv1963
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 03:33 PM UTC


Hi guys and Gals i just joined the campaign a few days ago and here are a couple of pics of the cockpit of the Fw190A-8, this is the first aircraft that i hope i will finish in about 20 years so any comments or suggestions would be helpful. I won't be using any PE or resin stuff any mods i do will have to be scratch built such as the seat cushion, seat belt and buckles and the throttle in the upper left hand corner, i am not looking to be super accurate i just want a nice clean build. All comments welcome.
alpha_tango
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 06:55 PM UTC

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Steffen, good catch, but I am surprised you didn't mention the ailerons. Looks great Keith.



Err, yes of course ... the big red one (which is most likely also wrong in style for JG 1) just got my whole attention.

Keith that is something you should correct. The ailerons (the steering surfaces at the ends of the wings) are connected and work opposite to roll the aircraft around the longitudinal axis. Some a/c like the Ju-88 could drop the whole affair by 10 degree on start and landing to provide additional lift ... not so the Fw190 .. so if you want to correct this, glue one slightly upwards and the other slightly downwards or both level

please note that I do not want to bash your model, but to help !

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 04:05 AM UTC
Made some progress with my entry.


Remembering my previous experiences with PE flaps, this time I folded up the flaps before cutting the wings. This way I lose nothing if I mess up the delicate PE parts. These weren't very complicated and came out pretty nice, so I proceeded to cut off the appropriate sections from the lower wing half.
A lesson learnt: cut up the wings if you need to before gluing them together!
With the wings assembled, I had to be very careful making room for the other half of the flaps. To get the wing halves neatly apart on the flap area, I cut away a sliver of plastic from the trailing edge (pointed by the arrow in the pic) to better expose the seam for some knifework.


The cockpit components pretty much ready for painting. I think I'll be using the plastic instrument panel this time as the details are nice, it won't be very visible inside a closed canopy and it saves time modifying the kit-part for using the PE parts.


Cutting off the moulded-in canopy frame and cleaning up the edges of the opening made gaps appear between the fuselage halves and the shelf behind the cockpit. Here I've glued some styrene strip to fill the gaps.

Originally, I planned not to use the photo-etched shelf behind the cockpit, the detail on the kit-part being good. But noticing how I could hide most of the gaps there with it, I changed my mind.

^ Dryfitting underway.
The rear shelf portion of the cockpit tub has been sanded flush to accept the PE replacement. Also contrary to my original plans, I'm going to use the instrument panel coaming from the PE set, so I've cut off the coaming from the fuselage halves.

That's it for this update. More to come soon.
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 06:25 AM UTC
Keith: Your FW looks real worn and torn, but I do agree with Steffen. If there is any posibility to refit any of the ailerons, it would do the trick.

Robert: That's a nice pit you've got there. What make is the kit?

Eetu: 1:72 as usual? I will take your advice as a rule. Check part first - make the room for it later.

The twins got a bit further this weekend, but not without a cost. We use different paint and different masking tabe, but the tape lifted the yellow in both cases. I guess the time is the critical factor here.


Both are together and the RAF one has got decals under the brown.


We had a discussion around masking, and I fooled my buddy into trying wet newspapes masking. That was hard. The airpressure wanted to lift the paper and slowly but surely it dried. I guess none of us will try that again in a while.


Only thing I can say here is that freehand blotching is hard. I will not show the other side .
The strange thing is that the dark grey blotches are the same colour as the dark grey fields. Strange. I guess I will have to do a 109 G-6 soon, just to try again.

Later Tony
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 06:45 AM UTC

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Eetu: 1:72 as usual? I will take your advice as a rule. Check part first - make the room for it later.

Only thing I can say here is that freehand blotching is hard. I will not show the other side .
The strange thing is that the dark grey blotches are the same colour as the dark grey fields. Strange. I guess I will have to do a 109 G-6 soon, just to try again.



Yep, it's 1:72.
Learnt that lesson about PE flaps with Eduard's 1:72 La-7. I cut the wings first, built & installed the flap bays, then folded the flaps (the most difficult part). I messed up the folding. Fortunately that was only on the delicate inner doohickeys, and easily hid by trimming the parts a little and gluing the flaps in the up-position.
By doing the most error-prone procedure first, there's no serious harm done if you mess up something. Fouled PE parts only versus cut-up kit-parts AND fouled flaps is an easy choice.

Great-looking models you have cookin' up there!
That 190 looks weird in British warpaint. The colors scream English, but the shape German.

I'm no expert on airbrushing blotches, but I've noticed one thing. Personally, I get better results when not trying to make certain shapes or patterns.
LongKnife
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 06:59 AM UTC
I guess your'e right there Eetu. If you move the airbrush in a different manner you get a different result and colour. I guess a bit more "what the heck" might give a better result. I will just have to dare!

And by the way, just wait until the RAF roundels comes on. That's REALLY weird!

Tony
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 08:58 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the comments.
Adjusted the model as you suggested.
I always thought it was flaps down on the ground.?


Maybe I should stick to armour!
rv1963
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 09:06 AM UTC
Thanks Tony it's the Accurate Miniatures 1/48 scale i am pretty shore it's an Eduard repop at least that's what the sprues say. I like the camo on the green and tan one you did.
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 09:41 AM UTC

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Maybe I should stick to armour!



Hi Keith

Looks much better now ... really your model looks great but when you know a topic small mistakes just jump to your eye .. as if i built a Tiger with a Tatzenkreuz (Bundeswehr) or a Sherman with the bogies backwards.

I am glad you gave aircraft a try!! Hope it wasn't your last!

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 09:58 AM UTC
Those aren't the flaps Keith--those are the ailerons--the part that moves when the pilot wants to turn so they work opposite of each other--or at least they should....I think........ So when one goes up--the other goes down. The flaps are closer to the fuselage and if you built a hasegawa they are molded in the up position. Keep building planes--its a nice change from the mud. Your plane looks good also so no worries.
KAYELL
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 10:18 AM UTC
Thanks guys got it now!
thegirl
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 04:00 PM UTC
You guy's are turning out some great builds here and progress !


No worries Tony , might not be able to do any building at the moment , but can still keep in touch .
Wouldn't want to miss the excellent work being done by you guy's .
Yeti123
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 05:04 PM UTC
Keith:
Like your build. Hope you don't give up on aircraft yet.

Tony:
The twins are shaping up nicely

Taylor
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 04:26 AM UTC
Getting ready to start shooting colors on the airframe this week. I'm pretty excited. I also have a question. I'm sort of into doing several FW190s now. I've got a Dragon Dora due to arrive this week. Does anyone have any review or first hand observations of the Monogram Pro Modeler series FW 190? I'm building a Tamiya kit currently and can't decide to try the Pro Modeler offering or buy a Hasegawa kit.
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 04:59 AM UTC
Morning everybody!

I just saw this campaign (kinda slow on the uptake) and have been trying to decide what I'd like to start on anyway. I have an Eduard A-5 that I'd like to make in markings for Otto Kittle that I found in a profile in the old Great Book of World War II Airplanes. It shows his aircraft while Stafflekapitan of 2/JG 54 in Latvia, spring '44. White 1 with yellow fuselage band, lower cowel, and rudder bottom. It LOOKS like 70, 71, 76 camo with a high demarcation and mottling on the fuselage and tail.

Does this sound correct to you all? If so, I might give it a whirl!

Thanks!

Michael
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 10:32 AM UTC
Keith, Don't get discouraged. You have a wonderful looking Butcherbird. I really like the weathering you did to it. I like seeing some aluminum showing through on a 190. There are differences between tanks and aircraft. Some of the things you learn in modeling one type will carry over into the other. I learned armor weathering by experimenting on aircraft. Now doesn't that sound strange? You obviously have a great deal of modeling talent. I am sure we all would like to see you continue with the fly thingies. Just remember, there are things that are specific to the type of modeling being done. Steffen is our resident expert on German aircraft. He knows more about some of the aircraft than the manufacturers did. Earlier in this thread, there was a discussion about doing the canopy in the interior color before the camo color. I had never given it much thought. Even after 40+ years of modeling. I am still learning.

Robert, Nice start.

Eetu, It looks like you have your hands full. I was going to do the flaps on my Eduard kit. But I seem to have misplaced the flap set. After seeing how good yours look, I am regretting not pulling the flaps out of the Royal Class Kit.

Tony, Is everybody registered on this site. I would feel bad if everybody could not receive ther ribbon at the end. They are doing a fantastic job.

Terri, How is the cat adjusting to the international move? We are up to 5 in house and about 6 outside.

Michael, I am not familiar with that profile. But I can tell you the Eduard kit is a real nice build. I did not have any serious fit problems. But be sure to testfit.
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 10:45 AM UTC
WOW! It's been a while since I checked this thread. There are some beautiful builds going on here.
Tony, you're doing two birds for one campaign? I thought I was the only crazy person doing that.
Robert, 1st airplane in 20 years? Either you're pulling our legs or you're just really really good. That cockpit is outstanding.

If everything goes right I should be posting a few pic's of my finished entry by the weekend. And again, great job to all of you.

Hermon